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161 responses to “Moving Australia backwards! Coalition policy speculation open thread”

  1. Mark

    her Adelaide speech for why this is at the heart of our national character

    Bring back Don Watson, Graham Freudenberg or Bob Ellis!

  2. Mark

    her Adelaide speech for why this is at the heart of our national character

    Bring back Don Watson, Graham Freudenberg or Bob Ellis!

  3. Oldhack

    Hear! Hear! Mark. Wonder when/if she’ll ditch the cliches? When she’s used them all up?

  4. Oldhack

    Hear! Hear! Mark. Wonder when/if she’ll ditch the cliches? When she’s used them all up?

  5. Mercurius

    Sorry Kim, can’t help you on this one. With a government that’s beyond parody, where can we start with the opposition?

    I mean, let’s take a look at this extraordinarily generous tax write-off for school yooniforms:

    Public school yooniform
    ———————–
    Pants, grey, at Lowe’s: $18.99
    Shirt, blue, at Lowe’s: $12.99
    Total $31.98 subject to 50% claimable: $15.99
    Marginal tax rate: 30%
    Tax saving:$4.79

    Private school yooniform
    ————————
    Skirt, pleated, tartan: $55.00
    Shirt, pleated: $45.00
    Blazer, Merino wool: $249.00
    Boater: $65.00
    Total $414 subject to 50% claimable: $212
    Marginal tax rate: 37%
    Tax saving:$78.44

    Now that’s what I call moving forward!

    Really, how can Abbott top that?

  6. Mercurius

    Sorry Kim, can’t help you on this one. With a government that’s beyond parody, where can we start with the opposition?

    I mean, let’s take a look at this extraordinarily generous tax write-off for school yooniforms:

    Public school yooniform
    ———————–
    Pants, grey, at Lowe’s: $18.99
    Shirt, blue, at Lowe’s: $12.99
    Total $31.98 subject to 50% claimable: $15.99
    Marginal tax rate: 30%
    Tax saving:$4.79

    Private school yooniform
    ————————
    Skirt, pleated, tartan: $55.00
    Shirt, pleated: $45.00
    Blazer, Merino wool: $249.00
    Boater: $65.00
    Total $414 subject to 50% claimable: $212
    Marginal tax rate: 37%
    Tax saving:$78.44

    Now that’s what I call moving forward!

    Really, how can Abbott top that?

  7. stuart

    It won’t be Thursday I don’t think, that’s when climate change policy is to be released at press club. Newspoll, climate change and election are too much at once.

    Unless she wants to bury any analysis of what’s sure to be a sh*t policy…

  8. stuart

    It won’t be Thursday I don’t think, that’s when climate change policy is to be released at press club. Newspoll, climate change and election are too much at once.

    Unless she wants to bury any analysis of what’s sure to be a sh*t policy…

  9. Chris

    Mercurius – I dont think this is how it will work as they’ve said it will be an extension of the education tax refund. And that is just a straight 50% refund on how much you spend (up to the refund limit). Income is only relevant in order to qualify for the scheme – must qualify for ftba. Private school kids will still tend to get more in small families but there’s a bit of bias in your example. Eg you wouldn’t be buying a blazer every year, but am likely to have multiple shirts/skirts/pants.

    As for what Abbott might do? Remove the means test?

  10. Chris

    Mercurius – I dont think this is how it will work as they’ve said it will be an extension of the education tax refund. And that is just a straight 50% refund on how much you spend (up to the refund limit). Income is only relevant in order to qualify for the scheme – must qualify for ftba. Private school kids will still tend to get more in small families but there’s a bit of bias in your example. Eg you wouldn’t be buying a blazer every year, but am likely to have multiple shirts/skirts/pants.

    As for what Abbott might do? Remove the means test?

  11. Kim

    @4 – I was being a bit snarky with the Newspoll comment, Chris.

  12. Kim

    @4 – I was being a bit snarky with the Newspoll comment, Chris.

  13. Mulga Mumblebrain

    Whatever the Liberals promise, most of it will, in my opinion, be lies and ‘non-core promises’. As well as rank lies, later to be denied by equally conscienceless mendacity, there will be misrepresentations and deliberately cultivated false impressions. As the serfs are seeing in the UK, Thatcherite parties never change their spots, but rely on the gullibility, short and medium term memory loss and rank stupidity of the rabble. When they get to power, all the friendly postures,all talk of ‘compassionate conservatism’ or (my favourite-I wets meself every time) “Red Toryism’, goes down the memory-hole and out from behind their pretty, friendly, disguises step the children of Thatcher, Reagan and Howard. Abbott will govern like his old master, with service to the business rulers of the country paramount, slavish obedience to the US and Israel (if they steal our passports yet again, expect Abbott to be ingratiatingly ‘understanding’)and renewed class war, xenophobia and fervent denialism concerning all our ecological crises. It is in their DNA, reinforced by their upbringing and set in concrete by peer pressure. The maudlin truth is that it is just as true,more or less, of ‘Labor’, as it was of Blair and ‘New Labor’ and Obummer and ‘Hope’. It’s known in Eastern Europe as ‘democracy without choices’.

  14. Mulga Mumblebrain

    Whatever the Liberals promise, most of it will, in my opinion, be lies and ‘non-core promises’. As well as rank lies, later to be denied by equally conscienceless mendacity, there will be misrepresentations and deliberately cultivated false impressions. As the serfs are seeing in the UK, Thatcherite parties never change their spots, but rely on the gullibility, short and medium term memory loss and rank stupidity of the rabble. When they get to power, all the friendly postures,all talk of ‘compassionate conservatism’ or (my favourite-I wets meself every time) “Red Toryism’, goes down the memory-hole and out from behind their pretty, friendly, disguises step the children of Thatcher, Reagan and Howard. Abbott will govern like his old master, with service to the business rulers of the country paramount, slavish obedience to the US and Israel (if they steal our passports yet again, expect Abbott to be ingratiatingly ‘understanding’)and renewed class war, xenophobia and fervent denialism concerning all our ecological crises. It is in their DNA, reinforced by their upbringing and set in concrete by peer pressure. The maudlin truth is that it is just as true,more or less, of ‘Labor’, as it was of Blair and ‘New Labor’ and Obummer and ‘Hope’. It’s known in Eastern Europe as ‘democracy without choices’.

  15. sam

    Some policies for Tones:

    Education

    1. Revise history curriculum, with particular emphasis on the positive aspects of the Spanish Inquisition

    2. Revise foreign language curriculum, especially making Latin (Mass) compulsory

    3. Make compulsory the study of the collected works of Bartholomew Augustine Santamaria

    Health

    1. Outlaw abortion

    2. Outlaw contraception

    Foreign Policy

    1. Recognise, at long last, the government of that nice General Franco

    Environment

    1. Pass

    Tax

    1. Working mothers pay 200% tax on all income

    Social Policy

    1. Stay at home Mums get paid $50,000 per child per year, but kicks in only after birth of 6th child.

    Internet

    1. Announce Index of Banned Websites

  16. sam

    Some policies for Tones:

    Education

    1. Revise history curriculum, with particular emphasis on the positive aspects of the Spanish Inquisition

    2. Revise foreign language curriculum, especially making Latin (Mass) compulsory

    3. Make compulsory the study of the collected works of Bartholomew Augustine Santamaria

    Health

    1. Outlaw abortion

    2. Outlaw contraception

    Foreign Policy

    1. Recognise, at long last, the government of that nice General Franco

    Environment

    1. Pass

    Tax

    1. Working mothers pay 200% tax on all income

    Social Policy

    1. Stay at home Mums get paid $50,000 per child per year, but kicks in only after birth of 6th child.

    Internet

    1. Announce Index of Banned Websites

  17. CMMC

    George Pell becomes GG.

  18. CMMC

    George Pell becomes GG.

  19. Cuppa

    Industrial Relations

    1. Worse than WorkChoices

  20. Cuppa

    Industrial Relations

    1. Worse than WorkChoices

  21. robbo

    Moving forward? For crying out loud. Every time I go anywhere or do anything I move forward, some of us dills that live in the bush call it “walking”.It’s so reminiscent of the”bridge” bullshit that Rudd ranted on about in the last election campaign. I’m so bloody sick of the tripe that these idiots are rolling out, treating us with utter contempt as they jostle for the next grab-bag of trite rubbish dreamed up by some dick-wit in a cupboard somewhere.

    Call the bloody election, stop using spin to disguise the fact that neither of you have ever put any effort into developing a policy that will be beneficial to this country ,we can all go and vote and then we can all go back to watching masterchef or feeling pissed off with aunty. Not adressing the topic in truth, but I don’t reckon either has a policy between them.Just more and more bull-shit.

  22. robbo

    Moving forward? For crying out loud. Every time I go anywhere or do anything I move forward, some of us dills that live in the bush call it “walking”.It’s so reminiscent of the”bridge” bullshit that Rudd ranted on about in the last election campaign. I’m so bloody sick of the tripe that these idiots are rolling out, treating us with utter contempt as they jostle for the next grab-bag of trite rubbish dreamed up by some dick-wit in a cupboard somewhere.

    Call the bloody election, stop using spin to disguise the fact that neither of you have ever put any effort into developing a policy that will be beneficial to this country ,we can all go and vote and then we can all go back to watching masterchef or feeling pissed off with aunty. Not adressing the topic in truth, but I don’t reckon either has a policy between them.Just more and more bull-shit.

  23. Ken Lovell

    The school uniform deduction is reminiscent of Bob Carr’s $50 ‘Vote for me’ payment to parents of schoolkids, and recalls all the Howard ‘Vote for meeee’ bribes to various social groups (especially the elderly).

    Pointless, wasteful revenue churning like this makes me more than a little sympathetic to the libertarians. Blatant corruption, when you boil it down.

  24. Ken Lovell

    The school uniform deduction is reminiscent of Bob Carr’s $50 ‘Vote for me’ payment to parents of schoolkids, and recalls all the Howard ‘Vote for meeee’ bribes to various social groups (especially the elderly).

    Pointless, wasteful revenue churning like this makes me more than a little sympathetic to the libertarians. Blatant corruption, when you boil it down.

  25. Ken Lovell

    Deduction allowance.

  26. Ken Lovell

    Deduction allowance.

  27. ossie

    Actually, the school uniform deduction is a reasonably cheap way to partly defuse the bomb the Libs have ticking waiting to drop on the PM. The fact she personally will not benefit from the deduction.

  28. ossie

    Actually, the school uniform deduction is a reasonably cheap way to partly defuse the bomb the Libs have ticking waiting to drop on the PM. The fact she personally will not benefit from the deduction.

  29. sam

    What makes the PM tick? Her childhood. Which parts? It’s in her Adelaide speech

    ”my love of learning, my enthusiasm for correct grammar and punctuation, my respect for discipline, even my liking for my school uniform”. So much so that ”I think I still have my prefect’s tie to this day”.

    The PM is an upper lower middle class girl who so, so, so much wanted to be just like the respectable middle classes, and to be accepted by the respectable middle classes.

    I’ll bet, as a kid, she was a goody two shoes extraordinaire.

    It could be better, but it could be worse.

  30. sam

    What makes the PM tick? Her childhood. Which parts? It’s in her Adelaide speech

    ”my love of learning, my enthusiasm for correct grammar and punctuation, my respect for discipline, even my liking for my school uniform”. So much so that ”I think I still have my prefect’s tie to this day”.

    The PM is an upper lower middle class girl who so, so, so much wanted to be just like the respectable middle classes, and to be accepted by the respectable middle classes.

    I’ll bet, as a kid, she was a goody two shoes extraordinaire.

    It could be better, but it could be worse.

  31. adrian

    …but more likely it’s just a whole load of bullshit.

  32. adrian

    …but more likely it’s just a whole load of bullshit.

  33. C.F. Kane

    At the end of the day after you came to that fork in the road before moving forward with working families, it was possible to meet with 3 multinationals and call it industry consultation and then start to offer the ‘bribes’ to voters after the style of the former member for Bennelong… Julia, Julia, Julia… why has it come to this.

  34. C.F. Kane

    At the end of the day after you came to that fork in the road before moving forward with working families, it was possible to meet with 3 multinationals and call it industry consultation and then start to offer the ‘bribes’ to voters after the style of the former member for Bennelong… Julia, Julia, Julia… why has it come to this.

  35. Rebekka

    Mercurious, it’s based on being eligible for family tax benefit part A. Despite the limits for FTBA being quite generous, I doubt parents on it are affording private schools of the sort that charge those sorts of amounts for school uniforms, so they wouldn’t be getting that extra-generous tax benefit you so generously calculated for them.

  36. Rebekka

    Mercurious, it’s based on being eligible for family tax benefit part A. Despite the limits for FTBA being quite generous, I doubt parents on it are affording private schools of the sort that charge those sorts of amounts for school uniforms, so they wouldn’t be getting that extra-generous tax benefit you so generously calculated for them.

  37. Lefty E

    So far, the Gillard vision is:
    – backing down on mining tax
    – keeping the same climate policy that got Rudd in trouble with the electorate
    – getting tougher on asylum seekers.
    – school uniforms

    Anyone else uninspired -slash- bored to tears?

  38. Lefty E

    So far, the Gillard vision is:
    – backing down on mining tax
    – keeping the same climate policy that got Rudd in trouble with the electorate
    – getting tougher on asylum seekers.
    – school uniforms

    Anyone else uninspired -slash- bored to tears?

  39. robbo

    Was it Beasley senior who observed that the labor party was once the cream of the working class and is now the dregs of the middle class? Matters not who said it, Gillard seems to be hell bent on proving it to be true.

  40. robbo

    Was it Beasley senior who observed that the labor party was once the cream of the working class and is now the dregs of the middle class? Matters not who said it, Gillard seems to be hell bent on proving it to be true.

  41. adamite

    Sam

    Interesting comment. The ethos of ‘hard work and reward or pulling yourself up by your bootstraps sounds strangely 19 century ‘Victorian English’ for a contemporary Australian PM (even if its about creating a ‘narrative’, as the meeja says). Cant imagine what Abbot’s vision might look like – a Catholic version of ‘Rocky 2’ maybe?

  42. adamite

    Sam

    Interesting comment. The ethos of ‘hard work and reward or pulling yourself up by your bootstraps sounds strangely 19 century ‘Victorian English’ for a contemporary Australian PM (even if its about creating a ‘narrative’, as the meeja says). Cant imagine what Abbot’s vision might look like – a Catholic version of ‘Rocky 2’ maybe?

  43. Sam Bauers

    Come off it Rebekka, it’s a mediocre middle-class bribe that’s useless to those who actually need help. Not all kids go to school in shiny new uniforms. Less well off kids get second-hand or hand-me-down uniforms. If they are lucky they get new uniforms through a charity or school program.

    I went to a non-private school where a $200 woollen blazer was the norm, and my family could have quite easily qualified for an equivalent of the FTBA for the time.

  44. Sam Bauers

    Come off it Rebekka, it’s a mediocre middle-class bribe that’s useless to those who actually need help. Not all kids go to school in shiny new uniforms. Less well off kids get second-hand or hand-me-down uniforms. If they are lucky they get new uniforms through a charity or school program.

    I went to a non-private school where a $200 woollen blazer was the norm, and my family could have quite easily qualified for an equivalent of the FTBA for the time.

  45. Sam

    adamite, it’s exactly what you’d expect from her parents, Poms of a certain class of a certain age. The key theme is self improvement. The PM says she is a lapsed Baptist. Maybe religiously, but culturally she is a Baptist front and centre.

  46. Sam

    adamite, it’s exactly what you’d expect from her parents, Poms of a certain class of a certain age. The key theme is self improvement. The PM says she is a lapsed Baptist. Maybe religiously, but culturally she is a Baptist front and centre.

  47. Thomas Paine

    I am still waiting for evidence that Gillard Labor isn’t in fact Gillard Liberal.

  48. Thomas Paine

    I am still waiting for evidence that Gillard Labor isn’t in fact Gillard Liberal.

  49. adamite

    Thomas

    Heard Bob Hawke say on 7.30 report that he would be talking to Julia privately, presumably to guide her along the true Labor path – something to do with consensus leaderhsip and drawing on the strenghts of your Ministers (?)

  50. adamite

    Thomas

    Heard Bob Hawke say on 7.30 report that he would be talking to Julia privately, presumably to guide her along the true Labor path – something to do with consensus leaderhsip and drawing on the strenghts of your Ministers (?)

  51. Kim

    @14 –

    Actually, the school uniform deduction is a reasonably cheap way to partly defuse the bomb the Libs have ticking waiting to drop on the PM. The fact she personally will not benefit from the deduction.

    Huh?

    I don’t think the main line of attack the Libs were planning to mount against JG was that she was hoping to get a few hundred bucks herself out of policy decisions!

  52. Kim

    @14 –

    Actually, the school uniform deduction is a reasonably cheap way to partly defuse the bomb the Libs have ticking waiting to drop on the PM. The fact she personally will not benefit from the deduction.

    Huh?

    I don’t think the main line of attack the Libs were planning to mount against JG was that she was hoping to get a few hundred bucks herself out of policy decisions!

  53. ossie

    No Kim. That is because she does not need to buy any school uniforms…nudge, nudge, wink, wink. 😉

  54. ossie

    No Kim. That is because she does not need to buy any school uniforms…nudge, nudge, wink, wink. 😉

  55. Kim

    @27 – I would hope, ossie, that she would not have to allocate $220 million of public money to deflect an attack that won’t be made. I think it’s probably got a lot more to do with the ‘narrative’ she’s developing about her upbringing and values, and to offset worries about the cost of living, show she gets everyday concerns, etc, etc.

  56. Kim

    @27 – I would hope, ossie, that she would not have to allocate $220 million of public money to deflect an attack that won’t be made. I think it’s probably got a lot more to do with the ‘narrative’ she’s developing about her upbringing and values, and to offset worries about the cost of living, show she gets everyday concerns, etc, etc.

  57. ossie

    Oh Kim, I agree 100% with that. But the attacks about not having children and all the rest will come. My take? It will backfire on the Libs spectacularly. There are three reasons why:

    1. The infrantry they send out to do this kind of work are beyond thick. I am confident the PM has more than 1 “poodle” rejoinder in her armour.

    2. But the most important reason is the degree to which the MySchool website was able to touch every single parent in the country, qua parent. And nobody does not know that website is branded ‘Gillard.’

    While many people are very angry at MySchool, and Gillard for branding it, the anger will not eat into the “pro-family” psychographics she so deftly won over.

    3. The uniform pork-barreling once more rattles the “families = ‘kids'” can ever so subtly. Those out there who might have harboured subconscious misgivings (or outright bigotry) about her not having kids/hubby, etc. say more and more, “you know, she really does get it.”

    She’s a very clever politician is Julia Gillard. 😉

  58. ossie

    Oh Kim, I agree 100% with that. But the attacks about not having children and all the rest will come. My take? It will backfire on the Libs spectacularly. There are three reasons why:

    1. The infrantry they send out to do this kind of work are beyond thick. I am confident the PM has more than 1 “poodle” rejoinder in her armour.

    2. But the most important reason is the degree to which the MySchool website was able to touch every single parent in the country, qua parent. And nobody does not know that website is branded ‘Gillard.’

    While many people are very angry at MySchool, and Gillard for branding it, the anger will not eat into the “pro-family” psychographics she so deftly won over.

    3. The uniform pork-barreling once more rattles the “families = ‘kids'” can ever so subtly. Those out there who might have harboured subconscious misgivings (or outright bigotry) about her not having kids/hubby, etc. say more and more, “you know, she really does get it.”

    She’s a very clever politician is Julia Gillard. 😉

  59. John D

    So far Tony has attacked Labor in their own territory by offering a very generous maternity payment to better paid workers and some significant action on mental health. If he is smart he will offer some serious climate action that outbids what Labor is offering. (Although he has promised no increase in electricity costs and to pay for climate action out of the budget which cuts back on his room to move here.
    So what else might come up if he continues to follow this “preempt the strength’ strategy?

    He was the first pollie I remember talking about welfare traps so he just might attack this problem with a bit of transition generosity. His weakness though is that his campaigns against great big taxes limits the scope for lots of generosity.

  60. John D

    So far Tony has attacked Labor in their own territory by offering a very generous maternity payment to better paid workers and some significant action on mental health. If he is smart he will offer some serious climate action that outbids what Labor is offering. (Although he has promised no increase in electricity costs and to pay for climate action out of the budget which cuts back on his room to move here.
    So what else might come up if he continues to follow this “preempt the strength’ strategy?

    He was the first pollie I remember talking about welfare traps so he just might attack this problem with a bit of transition generosity. His weakness though is that his campaigns against great big taxes limits the scope for lots of generosity.

  61. Rebekka

    @Sam Bauers, I actually think it’s bad policy, I’m not defending it. But mercurious’s picture was inaccurate, by a fair way.

  62. Rebekka

    @Sam Bauers, I actually think it’s bad policy, I’m not defending it. But mercurious’s picture was inaccurate, by a fair way.

  63. Kim

    @30 – John D, I very much doubt that Abbott will try to trump Labor on climate change. His support base in the Liberal party is the denialists.

  64. Kim

    @30 – John D, I very much doubt that Abbott will try to trump Labor on climate change. His support base in the Liberal party is the denialists.

  65. Corin

    Kim, let the dross commence hey ….. hardly been the excitement we expected. Having said that the polls are good so maybe you are right on an imminent announcement. In some ways they need something to change the tune from dead to a slow pulse and nothing like an election to cut through and clarify. I will keep to my self imposed, not speaking about Gillard’s rise and chances ….. but just thought I’d say a short sentence or two or tangential topics.

    BTW, the school uniform policy makes bad policy (the ETR) even worse. And yet, that ETR was political gold in 2007!!

  66. Corin

    Kim, let the dross commence hey ….. hardly been the excitement we expected. Having said that the polls are good so maybe you are right on an imminent announcement. In some ways they need something to change the tune from dead to a slow pulse and nothing like an election to cut through and clarify. I will keep to my self imposed, not speaking about Gillard’s rise and chances ….. but just thought I’d say a short sentence or two or tangential topics.

    BTW, the school uniform policy makes bad policy (the ETR) even worse. And yet, that ETR was political gold in 2007!!

  67. jane

    According to Christopher Whyne on Q&A, Smuggles is a fervent believer in AGW.

  68. jane

    According to Christopher Whyne on Q&A, Smuggles is a fervent believer in AGW.

  69. John D

    Kim @32: I think you are right but I don’t think the election is a done deal yet and I am trying to think what smart things he could do to turn things his way. Or what dumb things Julie could to to piss off the people who she needs to be enthusiastic supporters. There are lots of negative comments above from people who are most unlikely to be closet Abbot supporters. Kevin 07 worked because it built on enthusiasm for change.

  70. John D

    Kim @32: I think you are right but I don’t think the election is a done deal yet and I am trying to think what smart things he could do to turn things his way. Or what dumb things Julie could to to piss off the people who she needs to be enthusiastic supporters. There are lots of negative comments above from people who are most unlikely to be closet Abbot supporters. Kevin 07 worked because it built on enthusiasm for change.

  71. Katz

    “By the year 2012 no Australian child will be wanting a nice blazer with a Latin motto embroidered on the pocket.”

  72. Katz

    “By the year 2012 no Australian child will be wanting a nice blazer with a Latin motto embroidered on the pocket.”

  73. Kim

    @36 – Respice Stellam Voca Mariam

    That was mine, Katz! Go figure…

  74. Kim

    @36 – Respice Stellam Voca Mariam

    That was mine, Katz! Go figure…

  75. Kim

    @35 –

    Kevin 07 worked because it built on enthusiasm for change.

    That’s right, John D.

    Incidentally, based on Joe Hockey’s shtick on Lateline tonight, the opposition are running as the government – they represent ‘stability’, they have much more ministerial experience, etc, etc.

    This election year just keeps getting weirder.

  76. Kim

    @35 –

    Kevin 07 worked because it built on enthusiasm for change.

    That’s right, John D.

    Incidentally, based on Joe Hockey’s shtick on Lateline tonight, the opposition are running as the government – they represent ‘stability’, they have much more ministerial experience, etc, etc.

    This election year just keeps getting weirder.

  77. silkworm

    I noticed Joe Hockeystick couldn’t utter the words “asylum seekers.” I also noticed that every time the camera was filming him from behind he was wiping the spittle from the side of his mouth.

  78. silkworm

    I noticed Joe Hockeystick couldn’t utter the words “asylum seekers.” I also noticed that every time the camera was filming him from behind he was wiping the spittle from the side of his mouth.

  79. Ron

    “Anyone care to indulge in predicting what they might come up with during the campaign?”

    Liberals will copy th Get Up Add
    which IS intended to change votes by saying Julia Gillard is no good on CC , and by extension Tony Abbott is

    So Get Up is endorzing tony Abbott , and specificly on CC…a disgrace given Tony said on TV quote “CC is crap”

    Am not sure Labor haters realize this is effect of this Get Up Add

  80. Ron

    “Anyone care to indulge in predicting what they might come up with during the campaign?”

    Liberals will copy th Get Up Add
    which IS intended to change votes by saying Julia Gillard is no good on CC , and by extension Tony Abbott is

    So Get Up is endorzing tony Abbott , and specificly on CC…a disgrace given Tony said on TV quote “CC is crap”

    Am not sure Labor haters realize this is effect of this Get Up Add

  81. Katz

    From each according to their means. To each according to her Head Prefect’s tie.

  82. Katz

    From each according to their means. To each according to her Head Prefect’s tie.

  83. Sam

    Nothing wrong with Latin mottos; Larvatus Prodeo, for example.

  84. Sam

    Nothing wrong with Latin mottos; Larvatus Prodeo, for example.

  85. ossie

    John

    Kevin 07 worked because it built on enthusiasm for change.

    This surely romantic revisionism? The only change which emanated from Rudd was that he was not Howard.

  86. ossie

    John

    Kevin 07 worked because it built on enthusiasm for change.

    This surely romantic revisionism? The only change which emanated from Rudd was that he was not Howard.

  87. tigtog

    Kevin 07 was just the campaign, Ossie. The campaign worked, and worked very well.

  88. tigtog

    Kevin 07 was just the campaign, Ossie. The campaign worked, and worked very well.

  89. adrian

    Ron @ 40. Bullshit. What kind of parallel universe do you live in?

    Oh I see, the one where any criticism of the government is an endorsement of the opposition.

  90. adrian

    Ron @ 40. Bullshit. What kind of parallel universe do you live in?

    Oh I see, the one where any criticism of the government is an endorsement of the opposition.

  91. tssk

    I’m not worried about the Lib’s policies during the election campaign. I’m more worried about what will happen in a month when Tones is in the lodge.

  92. tssk

    I’m not worried about the Lib’s policies during the election campaign. I’m more worried about what will happen in a month when Tones is in the lodge.

  93. Mercurius

    Me too, tssk. I usually try to steer clear of pessimistic ululation, but on this occasion I do declare – we’ll all be roooooned!

  94. Mercurius

    Me too, tssk. I usually try to steer clear of pessimistic ululation, but on this occasion I do declare – we’ll all be roooooned!

  95. Pavlov's Cat

    The only change which emanated from Rudd was that he was not Howard.

    You say that like it was a small thing.

  96. Pavlov's Cat

    The only change which emanated from Rudd was that he was not Howard.

    You say that like it was a small thing.

  97. sam

    You say that like it was a small thing.

    The only thing we can reasonably expect from a modern ALP Government is to avoid most of the worst excesses of a Liberal Government.

    Anything better is a bonus.

  98. sam

    You say that like it was a small thing.

    The only thing we can reasonably expect from a modern ALP Government is to avoid most of the worst excesses of a Liberal Government.

    Anything better is a bonus.

  99. ossie

    Sorry, I should have read John more carefully. With Pavlov’s comment, s/he seem to be both saying the enthusiasm for change was coming from all of us – and the nation – prepared to walk over hot coals for the change of being Howardless. My original comment was focused more on Rudd himself and the campaign, which were very studied low key affairs.

  100. ossie

    Sorry, I should have read John more carefully. With Pavlov’s comment, s/he seem to be both saying the enthusiasm for change was coming from all of us – and the nation – prepared to walk over hot coals for the change of being Howardless. My original comment was focused more on Rudd himself and the campaign, which were very studied low key affairs.

  101. adrian

    ‘The only thing we can reasonably expect from a modern ALP Government is to avoid most of the worst excesses of a Liberal Government.’

    More bullshit. We’re entitled to expect, and demand a damn sight more and part of the problem with politics in this country is that not enough people do.
    I’m so sick of the resigned negativity implicit in that statement.

  102. adrian

    ‘The only thing we can reasonably expect from a modern ALP Government is to avoid most of the worst excesses of a Liberal Government.’

    More bullshit. We’re entitled to expect, and demand a damn sight more and part of the problem with politics in this country is that not enough people do.
    I’m so sick of the resigned negativity implicit in that statement.

  103. Geoff Robinson

    What some media-friendly exercise in social liberalism to appeal to soft left-leaning voters something in the not-gay marriage but civil partnership line?

  104. Geoff Robinson

    What some media-friendly exercise in social liberalism to appeal to soft left-leaning voters something in the not-gay marriage but civil partnership line?

  105. Paul Burns

    Kim @ 37,
    Something about the starry call of Mary? 😉

    Bringing in welfare quarantining immediately.
    Cutting unemployed off the dole after six months.
    Tightening up eligibility qualifications for the disabled.
    Increasing the number of troops sent to Afghanistan.
    Bringing back compulsory full fees to universities for everyone.
    Cutting funding to the arts.
    Sending asylum seekers to Nauru and re-introducing TPVs.
    Tax breaks for big business and the very rich.
    Banning the burqa.

    And that’s just off the top of my head.

  106. Paul Burns

    Kim @ 37,
    Something about the starry call of Mary? 😉

    Bringing in welfare quarantining immediately.
    Cutting unemployed off the dole after six months.
    Tightening up eligibility qualifications for the disabled.
    Increasing the number of troops sent to Afghanistan.
    Bringing back compulsory full fees to universities for everyone.
    Cutting funding to the arts.
    Sending asylum seekers to Nauru and re-introducing TPVs.
    Tax breaks for big business and the very rich.
    Banning the burqa.

    And that’s just off the top of my head.

  107. sam

    Adrian, I also wish it was better. But it isn’t. The ALP is the party of Joe Tripodi. You should be thankful that matters aren’t worse than they are.

  108. sam

    Adrian, I also wish it was better. But it isn’t. The ALP is the party of Joe Tripodi. You should be thankful that matters aren’t worse than they are.

  109. Rebekka

    @ossie – he wasn’t just not Howard, he also didn’t have Howard’s draconian industrial relations policies.

    Something I note that Labor is already running attack ads against Tony for in the 6.30pm ACA/TT timeslot.

  110. Rebekka

    @ossie – he wasn’t just not Howard, he also didn’t have Howard’s draconian industrial relations policies.

    Something I note that Labor is already running attack ads against Tony for in the 6.30pm ACA/TT timeslot.

  111. tssk

    I would suggest some electoral reform. Fortunately Rudd left in place the new timeline for enrolling once the election is called. It’s now a day instead of a week. This sorts the skew towards the Greens and the ALP that the young would waste their vote on.

    I’d follow this up if I were Tones with four small changes.

    1. Raise the voting age to 21.

    2. Undo the changes by the AEC that would seem on the surface to be favouring the ALP. See http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/coalition_has_to_win_five_more_seats/

    3. Making voting voluntary.

    4. Make voting easier by holding the election in the middle of the day. Mid week.

    That would eliminate outliers like ALP governments.

  112. tssk

    I would suggest some electoral reform. Fortunately Rudd left in place the new timeline for enrolling once the election is called. It’s now a day instead of a week. This sorts the skew towards the Greens and the ALP that the young would waste their vote on.

    I’d follow this up if I were Tones with four small changes.

    1. Raise the voting age to 21.

    2. Undo the changes by the AEC that would seem on the surface to be favouring the ALP. See http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/coalition_has_to_win_five_more_seats/

    3. Making voting voluntary.

    4. Make voting easier by holding the election in the middle of the day. Mid week.

    That would eliminate outliers like ALP governments.

  113. Mindy

    Yes holding elections in the middle of the day midweek would get rid of all those pesky voters like teachers and nurses and supermarket staff who can’t just wander out when they want to to vote. That’s fair.

    I wouldn’t trust Tones to only go to 21. I think we’d have voting back to being gentleman property owners (assets above 1-2 mill natch) before you could blink.

  114. Mindy

    Yes holding elections in the middle of the day midweek would get rid of all those pesky voters like teachers and nurses and supermarket staff who can’t just wander out when they want to to vote. That’s fair.

    I wouldn’t trust Tones to only go to 21. I think we’d have voting back to being gentleman property owners (assets above 1-2 mill natch) before you could blink.

  115. ossie

    Rebekka

    Spot on! You’ve actually rescued my original point! MY point – response to John – was trying to downplay any excitement generated by Rudd. In fact, have many people have wondered whether Rudd could have won without the ACTU’s magnificent co-ordination of an old Laboresque campaign of passion, so legitimately in-sync with its constituency?

    It wasn’t Rudd who ran the attack on Workchoices. He was too busy debating wonkish policy issues with Mel and Kochie!

  116. ossie

    Rebekka

    Spot on! You’ve actually rescued my original point! MY point – response to John – was trying to downplay any excitement generated by Rudd. In fact, have many people have wondered whether Rudd could have won without the ACTU’s magnificent co-ordination of an old Laboresque campaign of passion, so legitimately in-sync with its constituency?

    It wasn’t Rudd who ran the attack on Workchoices. He was too busy debating wonkish policy issues with Mel and Kochie!

  117. Rebekka

    @ossie, yes! Luckily the Labor machine does not seem to have forgotten the reason why we won the last election, even if everyone else has. Thus the attack ads.

  118. Rebekka

    @ossie, yes! Luckily the Labor machine does not seem to have forgotten the reason why we won the last election, even if everyone else has. Thus the attack ads.

  119. Kim

    @59 – the difference, though, Rebekka, is that last time Labor was in opposition and also had a positive program to sell. I imagine that Labor will run on health, the economy and education, but they’ve lost a lot of momentum on those issues with the last three months being dominated by the scrappy RSPT fight and then the leadership change.

    The fact that the Coalition is in front in the polls on economic management should be a worry.

  120. Kim

    @59 – the difference, though, Rebekka, is that last time Labor was in opposition and also had a positive program to sell. I imagine that Labor will run on health, the economy and education, but they’ve lost a lot of momentum on those issues with the last three months being dominated by the scrappy RSPT fight and then the leadership change.

    The fact that the Coalition is in front in the polls on economic management should be a worry.

  121. Rebekka

    @Kim “I imagine that Labor will run on health, the economy and education,”

    I’d imagine they’re going to run on Tony Abbott cutting billions out of health as Health Minister, and Tony Abbott bringing back Work Choices. Sandwich some attack ads on either side with footage of Abbott on the 7.30 Report telling us we can’t believe everything he says, and a scary voiceover saying “Tony Abbott says the name ‘workchoices’ is dead”, and I’d say you’ve got 95% of Labor’s campaign.

    Why on earth would they want to run on the economy when it’s not Labor’s issue and the polls show the voters think the Coalition would do a good job??

  122. Rebekka

    @Kim “I imagine that Labor will run on health, the economy and education,”

    I’d imagine they’re going to run on Tony Abbott cutting billions out of health as Health Minister, and Tony Abbott bringing back Work Choices. Sandwich some attack ads on either side with footage of Abbott on the 7.30 Report telling us we can’t believe everything he says, and a scary voiceover saying “Tony Abbott says the name ‘workchoices’ is dead”, and I’d say you’ve got 95% of Labor’s campaign.

    Why on earth would they want to run on the economy when it’s not Labor’s issue and the polls show the voters think the Coalition would do a good job??

  123. adrian

    Rebekka if you think that workchoices was ‘the reason’ that the ALP won the last election, I have a slightly used harbour bridge to sell you. I think that most people would acknowledge that it’s rather more complicated than that.
    And to say that Rudd didn’t campaign against Workchoices is just re-writing history, but such blatant revisionism seems to make you happy with the current political situation, so don’t let a little bit of reality intrude.

  124. adrian

    Rebekka if you think that workchoices was ‘the reason’ that the ALP won the last election, I have a slightly used harbour bridge to sell you. I think that most people would acknowledge that it’s rather more complicated than that.
    And to say that Rudd didn’t campaign against Workchoices is just re-writing history, but such blatant revisionism seems to make you happy with the current political situation, so don’t let a little bit of reality intrude.

  125. Kim

    @61 – Um, Rebekka, because they’re the government and responsible for it and economic stuff is one of the key things people vote on?

    You seem to be suggesting a wholly negative campaign. I hope they can do better than that.

  126. Kim

    @61 – Um, Rebekka, because they’re the government and responsible for it and economic stuff is one of the key things people vote on?

    You seem to be suggesting a wholly negative campaign. I hope they can do better than that.

  127. adrian

    Why on earth would they want to run on the economy when it’s not Labor’s issue and the polls show the voters think the Coalition would do a good job??

    This really encapsulates the problem with current ALP poll-driven thinking.
    The answer is that the ALP could ‘own’ the issue if they communicated the reality of the situation to the electorate and stop treating them like idiots. By conceding ground to the coalition on certain issues based on the results of polling they are just making the situation worse.

  128. adrian

    Why on earth would they want to run on the economy when it’s not Labor’s issue and the polls show the voters think the Coalition would do a good job??

    This really encapsulates the problem with current ALP poll-driven thinking.
    The answer is that the ALP could ‘own’ the issue if they communicated the reality of the situation to the electorate and stop treating them like idiots. By conceding ground to the coalition on certain issues based on the results of polling they are just making the situation worse.

  129. ossie

    In a way there is something really distasteful about this sneering discourse towards “machine men” and “union bosses” as powers in the ALP. They built the party, fought for it, reformed, and still are crucial organisers in movements and organisations of people who are not rich!

    No ACTU campaign in ’07? No Kevin.

    You might have worked out by now, I am a bit schizo in my allegiance to the ALP and the union movement. I absolutely reject the reality, let alone the inevitability of zero-sum class conflict between workers/proles/labour and bosses/bourg/capital.

    But I still absolutely KNOW there is still significant structural inequality to justify saving the Marx tomes whenever moving house. And of course; POOR people. That’s what my politics has become reduced to; MONEY! Not a great deal more I must say.

    But once I made this revelation, I began to realise that not only could one’s political involvement kick so many more goals, but the positive impact of the beneficiaries is instant. Better than waiting around for some god awful bloody revolution, when you’d probably end up with an ice-pick in your head from your best mate. For example, the impact of Rudd’s significant increase in the pension plus the cash bonuses made a lot of people’s live much happier.

    Sometimes I wonder if my ambivalence towards labourism is analogous to the apocryphal 2nd wave feminist, who still fumes when some sexist dinosaur contemporary (oddly, possibly a husband) moans “oh here we go with the feminism again; in 2 minutes, she’ll be whingeing about the bloody washing up.” It is only when she is rid of him that she can fume to her sisters, “and yet when we got home, there was still the bloody washing up!” 🙂

  130. ossie

    In a way there is something really distasteful about this sneering discourse towards “machine men” and “union bosses” as powers in the ALP. They built the party, fought for it, reformed, and still are crucial organisers in movements and organisations of people who are not rich!

    No ACTU campaign in ’07? No Kevin.

    You might have worked out by now, I am a bit schizo in my allegiance to the ALP and the union movement. I absolutely reject the reality, let alone the inevitability of zero-sum class conflict between workers/proles/labour and bosses/bourg/capital.

    But I still absolutely KNOW there is still significant structural inequality to justify saving the Marx tomes whenever moving house. And of course; POOR people. That’s what my politics has become reduced to; MONEY! Not a great deal more I must say.

    But once I made this revelation, I began to realise that not only could one’s political involvement kick so many more goals, but the positive impact of the beneficiaries is instant. Better than waiting around for some god awful bloody revolution, when you’d probably end up with an ice-pick in your head from your best mate. For example, the impact of Rudd’s significant increase in the pension plus the cash bonuses made a lot of people’s live much happier.

    Sometimes I wonder if my ambivalence towards labourism is analogous to the apocryphal 2nd wave feminist, who still fumes when some sexist dinosaur contemporary (oddly, possibly a husband) moans “oh here we go with the feminism again; in 2 minutes, she’ll be whingeing about the bloody washing up.” It is only when she is rid of him that she can fume to her sisters, “and yet when we got home, there was still the bloody washing up!” 🙂

  131. Rebekka

    @62 “And to say that Rudd didn’t campaign against Workchoices is just re-writing history, but such blatant revisionism seems to make you happy with the current political situation, so don’t let a little bit of reality intrude.”

    And adrian, that would be why I DIDN’T SAY THAT. I don’t know how you even managed to deduce that from what I said. perhaps using the i-ching? A magic eight-ball? A deck of cards? Sticking a pin into random words in the Herald Sun to form “sentences”?

    Kim @ 63, if by “economic stuff” you mean, how much of a tax cut do I get, then sure, but if you mean economic management, as long as they don’t think one bunch are scary as sh*t, not so much. In October 2007, a month before Labor won the last election, around 25% of the population were still concerned Labor couldn’t manage the economy if they won the election. Only 8% were concerned about the economy if the Libs won (link).

    It’s not Labor’s issue, and they will avoid campaigning on it directly. There will of course be the usual words about working families doing it tough, if asked directly by Kerry O’Brien they may respond with something about keeping Australia out of the GFC and the mining tax giving Australians a fair share of our natural resources. They’re unlikely to use the word economy, except in the context of casting aspersions at Sloppy Joe and his ability to run Ostraya.

    “You seem to be suggesting a wholly negative campaign. I hope they can do better than that.”

    The evidence all suggests that negative campaigns work really well, and given that Tony Abbott is a pretty big target, I’d be highly surprised if Labor was stupid enough to do anything else. By “better” you mean “less likely to win an election”.

  132. Rebekka

    @62 “And to say that Rudd didn’t campaign against Workchoices is just re-writing history, but such blatant revisionism seems to make you happy with the current political situation, so don’t let a little bit of reality intrude.”

    And adrian, that would be why I DIDN’T SAY THAT. I don’t know how you even managed to deduce that from what I said. perhaps using the i-ching? A magic eight-ball? A deck of cards? Sticking a pin into random words in the Herald Sun to form “sentences”?

    Kim @ 63, if by “economic stuff” you mean, how much of a tax cut do I get, then sure, but if you mean economic management, as long as they don’t think one bunch are scary as sh*t, not so much. In October 2007, a month before Labor won the last election, around 25% of the population were still concerned Labor couldn’t manage the economy if they won the election. Only 8% were concerned about the economy if the Libs won (link).

    It’s not Labor’s issue, and they will avoid campaigning on it directly. There will of course be the usual words about working families doing it tough, if asked directly by Kerry O’Brien they may respond with something about keeping Australia out of the GFC and the mining tax giving Australians a fair share of our natural resources. They’re unlikely to use the word economy, except in the context of casting aspersions at Sloppy Joe and his ability to run Ostraya.

    “You seem to be suggesting a wholly negative campaign. I hope they can do better than that.”

    The evidence all suggests that negative campaigns work really well, and given that Tony Abbott is a pretty big target, I’d be highly surprised if Labor was stupid enough to do anything else. By “better” you mean “less likely to win an election”.

  133. adrian

    Sorry Rebekka, got you confused with ossie. Trying to do three things at once and doing them all badly!

  134. adrian

    Sorry Rebekka, got you confused with ossie. Trying to do three things at once and doing them all badly!

  135. Sam

    Speaking of voting age, Friedrich Hayek, who many in the blogosphere get an erection just thinking about, and who Planet Janet wrote glowingly on today, wanted to restrict voting to men over the age of 40.

    Remember where you read it first.

  136. Sam

    Speaking of voting age, Friedrich Hayek, who many in the blogosphere get an erection just thinking about, and who Planet Janet wrote glowingly on today, wanted to restrict voting to men over the age of 40.

    Remember where you read it first.

  137. Rebekka

    @adrian, no problem 🙂 I know the feeling (commenting, as I am, between working)

  138. Rebekka

    @adrian, no problem 🙂 I know the feeling (commenting, as I am, between working)

  139. Mark

    @61 – I agree with Kim, Rebekka, circumstances are different when Labor is in government. There’s no doubt that there will be a vigorous debate on the economy, and Labor figures have regularly claimed that the GFC story will be a major strength.

    I’d also note that when Mark Latham personally took the decision to eschew any response to the interest rate scare in ’04, on the grounds that this was not Labor’s issue, he was very rightly criticised for ceding ground on one of the key determinants of the vote.

  140. Mark

    @61 – I agree with Kim, Rebekka, circumstances are different when Labor is in government. There’s no doubt that there will be a vigorous debate on the economy, and Labor figures have regularly claimed that the GFC story will be a major strength.

    I’d also note that when Mark Latham personally took the decision to eschew any response to the interest rate scare in ’04, on the grounds that this was not Labor’s issue, he was very rightly criticised for ceding ground on one of the key determinants of the vote.

  141. ossie

    Mark

    That was a very tough call, as nobody in Labor felt enough time had lapsed for the electorate to cool-off over Keating. And there was no way Latham could have crowed about Neoliberal Labor without shining a spotlight on Keating.

    There was also a significant chasm between the way academic economists viewed Keating’s economic management and how those so-called “Howard Battlers” viewed Keating’s economic management. Latham needed to win many of the latter. The former? Hmmm, not so many.

  142. ossie

    Mark

    That was a very tough call, as nobody in Labor felt enough time had lapsed for the electorate to cool-off over Keating. And there was no way Latham could have crowed about Neoliberal Labor without shining a spotlight on Keating.

    There was also a significant chasm between the way academic economists viewed Keating’s economic management and how those so-called “Howard Battlers” viewed Keating’s economic management. Latham needed to win many of the latter. The former? Hmmm, not so many.

  143. Rebekka

    @Mark, yes, that was one of the many stupid things Latham did during that campaign, but to my mind there’s a difference between campaigning on “the economy” and campaining on other issues like “interest rates” or “tax cuts”. You’ll note I said they will avoid campaigning on it directly and that they’ll avoid using the word.

  144. Rebekka

    @Mark, yes, that was one of the many stupid things Latham did during that campaign, but to my mind there’s a difference between campaigning on “the economy” and campaining on other issues like “interest rates” or “tax cuts”. You’ll note I said they will avoid campaigning on it directly and that they’ll avoid using the word.

  145. Mark

    @72 – I don’t know about that at all, Rebekka. Much has been made of Swan’s budget update today:

    http://petermartin.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-swan-told-all-again-just-two-months.html

    The Fin Review report was full of “senior government sources expect the election to be won or lost on the economy”.

    There is a distinction between what I’ve called “the lived economy” – which played well for Labor in 2007 – and macro-economic policy, but it would be incredible if they didn’t make the latter a big part of their case for re-election. I expect that they will.

  146. Rebekka

    @Mark, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think they’re going to ignore it, but nor do I think they want the focus on it – I’m expecting the campaign to be largely negative.

  147. Rebekka

    @Mark, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think they’re going to ignore it, but nor do I think they want the focus on it – I’m expecting the campaign to be largely negative.

  148. Mark

    @74 – yes, but they’ll need to balance that with some sort of positive vision for the future, Rebekka. The last ALP state campaign in Queensland was very negative against the opposition, but only got across the line through a persuasive narrative about what the government would do over the next term.

  149. Mark

    @74 – yes, but they’ll need to balance that with some sort of positive vision for the future, Rebekka. The last ALP state campaign in Queensland was very negative against the opposition, but only got across the line through a persuasive narrative about what the government would do over the next term.

  150. ossie

    Anybody who thinks it is a serious issue who is going to win the next election is off their rocker or deaf from all that dog-whistling. Labor will win. Easily.

  151. ossie

    Anybody who thinks it is a serious issue who is going to win the next election is off their rocker or deaf from all that dog-whistling. Labor will win. Easily.

  152. Rebekka

    @Mark, I’m sure they won’t be able to help occasionally mentioning their plan for the future during the election campaign 😛 but I certainly think the advertising will be largely negative.

    @ossie no arguments here on the win, although I wouldn’t want to suggest it will be easy.

  153. Ron

    1/ adrian says:
    14 July 2010 at 8:23 am

    Ron @ 40

    “Oh I see, the one where any criticism of the government (Get Up Add) is an endorsement of the opposition.”

    Clearly this Get up add is too subtle for you to see effect on voting Public

    It is anti Julia specificaly on climate Change

    Get Up’s add at this time to close to an electon , is to change voters against Gillard/Labor BASED on Labor’s Climate Change approach

    IF Abbot/Liberals were superior on Climate change to Labor , I could understand Get up’s motive

    But given Abbott/Liberals ar CC deniest , and Abbott on TV has said quote “Climate Change science is crap” , this Get up Add is a completely disgrace , and is in fact anti th Climate Change movemnet Fact that you as Greens suporter can not see that is no surprise

    2/ tssk says:
    14 July 2010 at 1:04 pm

    “…Fortunately Rudd LEFT in place the new timeline for enrolling once the election is called. It’s now a day instead of a week.”

    not correct Howard reduced time to enroll to immediate , to cut out young enroling (who by majority vote Labor not Liberal)

    Labor via john Fawkner brought in Bill to extend enrol time back to 7 days foro young/people…this Bill got REJECTED in Senate…guess who by…ie it took more than Liberel Senators voting against

    3/ Labor approach
    both positive and neg
    oz has lowest unemploy , highest growth and lowest debt to GDP of any significant Developed Country in world , mainly due to Labor Govt fiscal polisys and Labor Govt 42 billion funded stimili plus mining proceeds This will be sold big time…plus Educ (many plus’s there ) , Nat Hospitals reform , PPL , tax cuts , attemopted serious CC mitigation but was obstruced by th Senate and gutting Workchoises

    (and lesser time on pension etc rises , Mining supa tax getting public 10.5 billion BONUS tax not had before , closing indigenous gap , new Health Insuranse Levy equity etc…a labor Govt that HAS delivered genuine core ‘left’ social and equity reform

    and anti Abbott on “trust” , he suports workchoises , gorged one billion from public hospitals per treasury files when Heqalth minister , well there is so many negs to tony Abbott

  154. Sam Bauers

    @Sam Bauers, I actually think it’s bad policy, I’m not defending it.

    I apologise unreservedly for my rant then. Sorry.

  155. Sam Bauers

    @Sam Bauers, I actually think it’s bad policy, I’m not defending it.

    I apologise unreservedly for my rant then. Sorry.

  156. adrian

    Ron, I can’t be bothered trawling through your semi-readable comment, but I did get the part where you accused me of being a Green’s supporter, as though this would be some sort of thoughtcrime.

    While I understand that to many, party affiliation is akin to a religous conversion, and you probably see yourself as some sort of missionary for the ALP, FYI I have always voted for the ALP in the past, but not this time. Politics may be tribal for you, but it isn’t for me. OK?

    BTW, could you show some basic consideration for your reader, and use a spell check.

  157. Geoff Robinson

    Could Abbott do a Micheal Steele and make some expression of doubt about the Afghan war to appeal to female voters currently enthused by JG?

  158. Paul Burns

    Presumably, so far as arts policy goes, we can expect something like this.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/jul/15/arts-cuts-budget-letter

  159. Helen

    Ron, I was under the impression that Adrian, the GetUp organisation and others were living in a democracy and had the right to vote for parties other than the ALP and causes which the ALP right are not sympathetic with. Clearly, I was mistaken.

  160. Spana

    I predict the ALP will bleat about workchoices while they continue to attack unions. The ALP will once again use the unions and then turn around and stand by while unionists are threatened with jail, teachers threatened with fines and industrial rights watered down. The ALP – Liberals, just more deceitful.

  161. Ken Lovell

    Spana union officials just changed the leader of the parliamentary ALP. If anyone is being used, it’s union officials using the ALP, not vice versa.