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45 responses to “Tony Abbott’s Big Brother play”

  1. tssk

    I have a lot to say on this but the issue is I’m highly biased.

    If this was playing the other way would I be complaining? No.

    So I can’t really complain about the current state of play.

  2. Mindy

    I have no such scruples tssk. This man wants to be the PM, so he should be standing up and saying what he believes in. I know that Rudd ran on a platform of largely not being John Howard last time, but he did at least have a vision. I suspect Tony has a vision he’s just not saying what it is in case it scares off the punters. I would have thought that his “dole crackdown” would have garnered more media attention, but no. If Tones gets in the media will have the PM they deserve. Shame about the rest of us.

  3. tssk

    I’ll be interested in reading about the so called dole crackdown but I reckon tomorrow there will be a leaked report about Julia musing that all the unemployed should be run through a mincer and sold off to other countries as pet food which will make it redundent.

  4. Mindy
  5. Mindy

    Maybe we need a why we don’t want Tony as PM thread?

  6. Eric Sykes

    Abbott is so dangerous now.

    The oft repeated idea that he’s a fool with his foot permanently in his mouth just ignores the facts of his political career. He is an extremely clever man, and he’s played the Australian people like a pedal harmonium. In the AlP rush to the right his extreme views just become more and more normal. “Ordinary People” love him. Even when he (very cleverly) admits he’s lying “people” think that’s great because he’s telling the truth.

    Nobody is challenging him. Nobody.

    So we move further and further towards the worst kind of Coalition Government Australia will ever experience.

    He’d come down hard on everything that even remotely looks humanitarian to us, he’d let the poor starve and he’d imprison the dissenters.

    And make no mistake, he’d do that on purpose, not because he’s a fool. If he gets power he’ll use it. He knows how to use it and there’s a reason he was let lose on Hanson. Everything she wanted he’s now got in the palm of his hand.

    Just a bit further, inch by inch, closer…closer….nearly there…….

  7. Ken Lovell

    I would have thought part of the reason Abbott is not getting much attention is that he’s notoriously a protege of Howard. People just assume that he’ll do pretty much what Howard’s mob did for 11 years, what’s to talk about? And since Labor is proposing pretty much the same thing, let’s all gossip about Julia before we die of boredom.

  8. hannah's dad

    I have tried to get the focus placed on the numerous shortcomings of the COALition here with little impact.
    Hockey’s interview with Oakes last Sunday was a total disaster and I can see why the MSM would like to keep it under wraps and do the ‘look over there a confected problem for the ALP!!’ trick but I am surprised so many people here are falling for the 3 card trick.

  9. Jamo

    The Abbott camp is playing this very smart. Why do any campaigning when you dont have to – the adverse coverage of the opponents problems continues without you lifting a finger. And when it starts to wane you then roll out a positive bold initiative and turn momentum based on negativity (i.e opponents probelms) into positive momentum. Classic “West Wing” stuff. And if I was the ALP I would be looking to create one hell of a diversion very fast!!!

  10. Eric Sykes

    hd & jammo – yes. I think it is easier for many to write off Abbott as a fool than to actually accept and deal with why he’s so popular; the fact that what he says has resonance with so many people (about half at last count).

  11. Razor

    Given that the Government is leading in both the polls and the betting, I think it is reasonable that they are receiving most of the blow-torch at the moment. When the balance swings towards the Opposition then so should the examination.

  12. Mindy

    But if that doesn’t happen until election eve it doesn’t leave much time to examine the Opposition. Once they are in government it is too late.

  13. Razor

    And following on from my last:

    Given the high likelihood that the Greens are going to have the balance of power in the Senate, the fact that they aren’t being put on the rack over their policies and potential conflicts and compromises that may be required is disturbing but not suprising.

  14. Huh

    But, Razor, by your own logic the Greens are receiving the level of attention their polling justifies.

  15. hannah's dad

    So:
    Can we have a thread on Oakes’ interview with Hockey and delight in listing the ways Joe disgraces himself and his party and exposes their lack of economic competence?
    Can we have a thread on the topic ‘If the COALition were in government when the GFC hit what would have happened?” and we can speculate based on the known ideology, past policies and current statements what the results would have been?
    Can we have a thread on …..that focuses on COALition policy and its implications/probable outcomes for Australia and Australians if they become the government?
    Because I think there likelihood of such as disaster is rising.

    Can we not have a thread on whatever the latest trivia manufactured by the MSM is?
    Please?
    I come here, as I suspect most do,to get away from the misinformation of the MSM not to see it hashed and rehashed.

  16. Mindy

    Would definitely like to see more about the Greens.

  17. CMMC

    Tones is going to crack down on “gangs”. You know, those youths who walk along the footpath or hang around bus stops and shopping centres.

    My mum’s elderly neighbour is convinced that all the above are “gangs” and, as they are not committing actual crimes at the moment, the police should just round them up in paddy wagons to prevent the inevitable criminal outrage they will obviously manifest.

  18. pablo

    Deputy CNP Julia Bishop off-handedly proposed a ‘gas city’ in the Pilbara region to avoid the worker ‘fly-in-fly-out’ phenomena. It was also in the context of sustainability, population and where to put boat arrivals. I haven’t seen a mention of it in press follow-up. As someone from WA she should have been seriously quizzed on the idea as it seemed obvious that she had given it thought and also with WA premier Barnett. I’ve nothing against the idea and believe it should be scrutinised particularly for all the decentralisation ramifications.
    Tim Flannery in the SMH also ran with a new metropolis ‘Geothermia’ to do much the same thing in the gas rich Cooper Basin.

  19. Razor

    Pablo @ 21 – The WA government is already pushing that barrow. It’s just that us over here on the left hand side of the continent don’t get a lot of cover from those on the right hand side, which is quite reasonable.

  20. Russell
  21. hannah's dad

    May I suggest a combination of the requests for topics on these subjects..
    Policy.
    Greens.

    A thread on a major issue that compares and contrasts the policies and words of the 4 major players in the election, the ALP government, the opposition MSM and COALition and the Greens.

    To satisfy the apparent need for speculation and because it is the major event of recent times, of major ongoing importance and subject to so many media/oppo furphies I would suggest the GFC as the topic.

    But please, not the ETS or we will be subjrct the standard diatribes of Greens/ALpers. nor the ‘boat people’ cos I am sick to death of that topic, the media has flogged it for months.

    Just lets get away from being an echo chamber of the MSM.

  22. Mark

    Working on a post about gfc so watch this space. Open Abbott thread also coming. Am out and about atm.

  23. hannah's dad

    Ta Mark.
    Appreciated.

  24. nasking

    You’ll find more good reasons not to trust nor vote for Tony Abbott here:

    The war was not about oil

    http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/the-war-was-not-about-oil/

    Abbott was a key minister in a government that took us into this mighty ripoff.

    N’

  25. TerjeP

    Before Rudd was PM I was fearful of the mess he might make. I was right to be fearful. So putting scrutiny on the alternate PM makes sense. However Julia isn’t exactly an established PM with a strong track record so it makes just as much sense to scrutinise her also. Which LP doesn’t seem overly keen on doing.

    I’ll be voting LDP anyway so a pox on both their houses.

  26. nasking

    Good points Mark. I’ve posted a link to yer piece at the Cafe.

    I say this to the Labor leaker(s)…there are appropriate responses to a sense of injustice & grieving…

    there is also incredible selfishness & sheer bastadry that screws a party and a nation.

    Enuff of the leaks.

    WAKE UP

    Before it’s too late.

    N’

  27. Joe

    Great post Mark! Well done.

    Interesting to read about the way in which the Labor Party have in some measure shot themselves in the foot by basing an election campaign on the very questionable personal characteristics of Tony Abbott, only to find themselves embroiled in defending their own leader’s character.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, all energies are being spent on writing the next episode of the soap-opera and not in governing the country.

    It doesn’t help that the pace of the campaign is so rapid, and therefore journalists often interrogate both leaders on the basis of talking points pushed out by their opponents, rather than on a judicious probing of policy merits.

    This is close as you get too criticising the media these days!

  28. Joe

    In the larger context, one wonders about the effectiveness of our current system. On the positive side we have a very inert, conservative and secure political system (albeit prepared to go to war rather too quickly) on the other hand we have an incapacitated government, with all the action happening in private industry/corporations. Government is unable to lead only to regulate the frontier of new private activity. And all this being moderated by a private media.

    The other disappointment is the move away from not only social rights (to use a phrase from the 70-80s) but from investment in social infrastructure. It has been shown that private business does misallocate capital– especially with regards to investing in things which don’t return more capital, such as education, public transport, law-enforcement, recycling, political institutions (especially small local institutions, clubs etc.)– in essence things which effect to a large extent the public amenity. This is where political reform needs to focus.

    Do we need new political institutions? How much is the Westminster System responsible for the political crisis? Should a more inclusive model be sort, which would allow a broader debate of issues? Are the media entities too big? Everyone knows they are, but nothing is changing– even as the quality of the media drops! How can local politics be [re-]vitalised?

  29. pablo

    [email protected] Not sure which is left and right wrt WA, but disagree that it is just a WA parochial issue. Plenty of LHS and/or RHS workers fly-in-fly-out. But my argument is that the libs should be ‘interrogated’ on such an important issue as decentralisation/sustainability etcetera and it isn’t happening in this instance even with a leg-in from Bishop inviting the media.

  30. Kevin

    Just watching the way Tony Abbott batted away any questions on the morning news today, after his bike ride, by deflecting to the “leak” from the ALP, Not fit to govern, unstable government Blah Blah Blah… the Tiny Tony bit seems to be working so far.

  31. Labor Outsider

    Maybe it will be good for Labor to lose this election. I find it hard to believe that Abbott is capable of leading a long-term government and they won’t have the balance of power in the Senate anyway. A loss might encourage Labor to give some genuine thought to why it wants to govern the country and how.

  32. Spana

    CMMC says:

    “Tones is going to crack down on “gangs”. You know, those youths who walk along the footpath or hang around bus stops and shopping centres.”

    My guess (and correct me if I am wrong) is that CMMC does not live in an underclass area. My guess would be solidly middle class. I work in perhaps one of Brisbane’s roughest suburbs. Gangs are a reality. Some primary school kids can tell you their names. Ask any law abiding working class citizen of these suburbs what they think should be done and you won’t get any trendy left soft touch from them. They live with the crime and the fights at the station and the threatening atmosphere. Middle class people don’t and so they mock crack downs.

    It is very easy to mock anti gang talk when your streets are safe. When was the last stabbing at your local train station. The one where I work had one last year in daylight.

  33. Labor Outsider

    Spana

    Gangs are a state government responsibility not a federal government responsibility. We get more than enough law and order auctions in state elections without having to extend it to the federal arena.

  34. Spana

    Sure, I agree Labor outsider, they are largely state though these days the federal government has input into many areas. I just get annoyed that some people on the left are so quick to scoff at law and order issues when they don’t live in the communities affected by them. I may be wrong but I thought polls generally showed that people in lower class areas had tougher views on law and order. Why? Because they are know what it is like to live with street crime. Travel on public transport in some of these areas or use the train stations or tunnels or nearby streets and see how unpleasnat it is to be there. I am lucky, I only work in this area and I can pass through. To the residents it is every day and they are sick of it.

  35. hannah's dad

    OMG!
    Laura norder.

    Yet another dog whistle.
    Move on, nothing to hear here.

  36. paul walter

    Spana, everyone with half a brain knows there are problems in “undeserving” rust belt electorates.
    What we are objecting to is the resort to the old- and despicable- default of welfare bashing; basically parallel with no solution better than batons and tasers keeping the proles in line when they object to their conditions, which indicates no solutions that address the underlying reasons behind the difficulties confronting blue collar suburbs and their people.

  37. Zorronsky

    7.30 report and Kerry asked hunt and Wong to give us their policies. Wong first, and a reasonable explanation of what Labor are doing. Hunt avoided explaining more than a few lines and attacked by revisiting pink batts etc. Wong attempted to get an assurance re budget honesty, Hunt ignored both Kerry and Wong on this, then continued gratuitous attack. Hunt looked quite ill as Kerry called time. Flying under the radar but hit the ground hard.

    Wong=Fair.

    Hunt= Fail

  38. jane

    If the government is leading in the polls and the betting, why are the Libtards consistently being tipped to win the election 63.5%:36.5%, with 9735 respondents in a poll I read today?

    Eric Sykes @9, he is challenged, but unfortunately not by the media who have not scrutinised his thought bubbles at all. I think if the media did do their job, all thought of him being terribly clever would evaporate.

    He isn’t really a clever operator, imo; he has a sycophantic media protecting him and the bunch of talentless hacks masquerading as the alternative government from scrutiny.

    If the media actually did their job, this piece of policy suicide should have angry letters and talkback calls inundating the media.

    Instead, we have crap about the PM’s earlobes!

    nas @27 & 29, I agree. The Smuggles Set has form and Labour should be reminding people of it.

  39. Andrew E

    Like the Hewson Government, but less economical. There’s no scrutiny because nobody takes him seriously, except Labor people wanting to rev up their own to hand out HTVs.

    Don’t underestimate his ability to flake at the final turn. Gillard making no apology for asking the tough questions was a turning point.

  40. Pavlov's Cat

    which indicates no solutions that address the underlying reasons behind the difficulties confronting blue collar suburbs and their people.

    Exactly. Not only are they not addressing the underlying reasons, but they are actively white-anting policies that would help try to address them, as Jane’s link at #43 illustrates. Spana, what’s being mocked is not the law-and-order emphasis in isolation but rather what it says about the ideological approach to the phenomenon of crime. It’s a deep ideological division — one I would have expected you to be both familiar and in sympathy with — between those who create an underclass through reactionary policy and then make more policy to punish it, and those with a longer view and a stronger sense of social justice who make policy to try to lessen, alleviate or avoid the conditions that breed criminal behaviours and mindsets in the first place.