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16 responses to “Greens outpoll Labor in Brisbane City Council by-election”

  1. maisie

    labor better get used to running third

  2. paul walter

    Given Gillard’s unhelpful and unsatisfactory dissembling response to concerns raised by Sen Doug Cameron today, one has little difficulty arriving at Maisies “take” as authentic, as the polls begin migrating south.

  3. john

    In a very Tory electorate, this is small-l liberals showing they care about the environment.

  4. Latte Sipper

    You really can’t make too many broad assumptions based on this result. Both sides of politics in the BCC are far more progressive then their State and Federal counterparts and the city level issues are quite separate from the rest of the state and country.

  5. maisie

    Labour on the nose + Greens polling well + plus optional preferential voting= electoral oblivion for Qld labor.

  6. John D

    It was interesting to see the effect of optional preference voting (OPV)on the flow of preferences. At the booth where I scrutineered 20% of the ALP voters and 27% of Green voters did not allocate preferences. As a result, the Greens only got 59% of ALP second preferences and the ALP 55% of Green preferences. The ALP persisted with its “just vote 1” signs even though this was now against its interests given the unification of the LNP and the Greens domination of the non major party votes.

  7. Sam

    Optional preferential voting is potential death for the Labor Party. “Just vote 1” is suicide. These people must be really stupid.

  8. PinkyOz

    Sam @ 7

    Probably not so much stupid as slow moving. Big organisations can take a lot of time to change their approaches in the face of new evidence, especially on approaches that have been wildly successful in the past.

    I will concede that it’s not clever though. 🙂

  9. Sam

    If I were running a Liberal state or federal government, the first thing I would do is introduce optional preferential voting. The Labor Party, with its 30 odd per cent of the primary vote, would be completely fucked.

  10. Terry

    Getting worked up about a council by-election in Indooroopilly is like reading major significance into the outcome of last year’s Higgins by-election. The main message I see is that in Brisbane the middle classes have returned to the LNP with a vengeance, as was apparent from the Federal election results (e.g. 12% swing to Turnbull in Wentworth). It also suggests that the Greens and the ALP directly compete for the same voters, which is not promising for the coalition politics now being practiced in Canberra.

  11. Sam Bauers

    This happened a lot in various Sydney councils at the last general local government elections (Greens outpolling Labor). The situation in Sydney means that the Greens can comfortably return councillors in the event of by-elections in several places.

    Would be nice to see a breakthrough in Queensland one day. What with the only vaguely proportional representation there being the Senate, it’s been relatively hard for them to get adequate exposure up there.

  12. John D

    Terry. Andrew Bartlet reported that

    This is an increase for The Greens of around 8.5 per cent from the 2008 result, while Labor’s vote is down about 4.5 per cent and the Liberal’s primary vote is down about 6.5 per cent. (Note: These figures are from polling day only – postal and pre-poll votes still have to be added to the count, so the final figures may vary. The turnout thus far is, not unexpectedly, quite low at under 58% – it will probably end up around 65%).

    There was an independent but his share of the vote was too small to explain the big DROP in primary vote of the LNP. You are right of course, the results in a ward that is largely leafy suburb and an LNP dominated council that really makes things happen and is much much greener than Labor is not a good guide to federal politics. In addition, the ALP letter drop was completely negative and could have been written by Tony Abbot. The underlying message was “we will cut back on the action so we can cut your rates” whinge whinge whinge…. Labor just doesn’t seem to understand that the electorate wants action and is willing to pay the taxes required.
    Sam. I am strongly in favor of OPV and the associated policy that counts votes until it is not clear who the voter wants to get their next preference. It reduces the number of unintended informal votes.
    I am also strongly in favor of people using their right to allocate preferences. Labor’s “just vote 1” campaign was just a trick to devalue the vote of some National and One Nation supporters. The corrupt Senate above the line system may also have given people the idea that just voting one would result in automatic preference allocation.

  13. R Jones

    First, I would like to correct a statement made by John D. Labor did not have a ‘just vote 1’ campaign – that was the LNP. Labor’s HTV and booth workers asked voters to number every box and were preferencing Greens second.

    Second, the most interesting thing to come out of the by-election was the swing AGAINST Campbell Newman’s Can Do team in one of their safest, blue-ribbon seats. Yes, Labor lost ground to the Greens, but Newman lost more (5.15% in primary and possibly up to 9% in 2PP).

    Seems like there was a protest vote against both the major parties and the Greens were the beneficiaries. If this result is replicated at the 2012 Council election Newman could lose his majority and the Greens could end up holding the balance of power at BCC.

  14. john

    He’s pretty pro-car for someone who’s greener than Labor, John D, and actually opposes the cross river rail tunnel.

  15. John D

    R Jones: One of the ALP signs at the booth where I was said something along the lines of “just vote 1”. To be fair, one of their workers was loudly urging people to use their preferences.
    John @14: Sure Campbell is obsessed with civil engineering solutions. On the other hand there has been a massive growth in bus and ferry numbers and the number of people using public transport. Ditto growth in bikeways. The council already uses 100% green power for its lights and services and has approval to go out for a long term contract for the supply of clean electricity that includes a requirement for the construction of clean power generation. The Greens are not supporters of the tunnel obsession and are arguing that the tunnel money would be better spent on sensible ideas for making transport more user friendly. As part of the campaign the candidates gave a public presentation on public transport. On this topic the Greens and LNP were on top of the issues with the Greens candidate a bit ahead. ALP distant third.

  16. John Quiggin

    I didn’t see the major party how to vote cards – not that I ostentatiously refused, but I managed to pick up the Greens card and nip in to the polling place before anyone else approached me. So, I don’t know what they did. But obviously the logic of optional preferential has reversed to favor the LNP against Labor and the Greens. Still, I think it’s the best system on the whole.

    As regards the impact, it depends on how those who exhaust their ballots would have gone if forced to allocated preferences. I wonder if anyone has looked at this.