Quick link: Grog on the political story the media missed

I have nothing to add to Grog’s excellent post on how the press gallery failed to discern that there had been a contest for the Deputy Leadership of The Greens three weeks ago, except to wonder whether an examination of political reporters’ output at the time might reveal a stack of non-stories.

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48 responses to “Quick link: Grog on the political story the media missed”

  1. paul walter

    The next article needs to cover the nature of the Milne SHY rivalry itself ( policy or/and personalities ).
    Obviously not directly relevant to the point of the story, concerning the Greens pariah status as the only political party that calls a spade a spade and its ostracism by the Bosses mouth-pieces, as punishment for not always acceding to open-slather “development” with social, environmental and economic costs deferred in the interests of the “rights” of the developer, local or overseas.
    My guess would be there could be problems of the usual type along that political fault line that has enviro/ ZPG oppositional to increased humane migrant/ refugee flows. How do intelligent people find dichotomies in issues that need not be oppositional; “either/or”?
    Hanson Young would be a fair way off knocking off a campaigner as seasoned as Milne. More likely, part of her apprenticeship and perhaps the Greens preparing for the inevitable change in team configuration that must come as even Bob Brown succumbs to the aging process.

  2. BilB

    There are quite a few stories here. The first one is that media moguls, in my opinion, deliberately manoeuvre to limit the Greens public profile. Considering the Greens very significant growing support this has to be deliberate.

    Another story would be who should be the leader of the party. Again, in my opinion, Christine Milne offers the strongest and most energetic delivery of policy and balanced judgement, though Scott Lublam is powerful too.

    Another story might be on pay scales and how they will make it difficult to change seats within the party, considering how much Bob Brown has sacraficed for the Greens over the years.


    And completely off topic,I heard this lady being interviewed this morning. What a story.


    I have a mate in Victoria who had a similar upbringing (though not as traumatic as Cathrine’s) who also rose above the horror of family dysfunction and violence.

  3. Sam

    Hanson Young is 28 years old. A little young to be assuming a leadership position, no?

  4. wilful

    Sam, Pitt the Younger became PM of Great Britain at age 24.

    Great post by Grog.

  5. pablo

    SHY would have ruffled a few feathers with her ‘prediction’ that the Gillard Government would re-house assylum seeker children before Minister Bowden got the chance. Although after the deputy leadership challenge, it showed her ability to get out front. Milne also impresses but the top heavy Tasmanian thing has to be recognised eventually.
    It will be interesting to see what line the Greens adopt now that Labor appears to be back-sliding on the Murray Darling 7 Gigalitres target for the environment.

  6. Paul Burns

    wilful @ 4,
    true. But much as I have warmed to her of late, SHY ain’t no Pitt the Younger.

  7. CJ Morgan

    Yet again, Grog demonstrates the shallowness of the Canberra press gallery. The hacks must really hate him.

    The nerve of the man!

  8. FDB

    “Milne also impresses but the top heavy Tasmanian thing has to be recognised eventually.”

    But surely SHY would only solve half the problem?

  9. Sam

    Scott Ludlum is a lot more impressive than SHY.

  10. Paul Norton

    The “top-heavy Tasmanian thing” is at bottom an effect of (a) the prominence of environmental politics in Tasmania in the 1970s and 1980s in particular and (b) Senate election results prior to 2010. When the Senators newly elected from the mainland states enter the party room in July, dynamics are likely to change considerably (and probably not in the way that the MSM presumes they will).

  11. patrickg

    The greens needs more like Milne, and fewer like SHY to increase their vote, in my opinion. I have consistently been impressed by Milne’s calm, collected and three-dimensional grasp of policy and politics in her public appearances.

    I have no great beef with SHY’s politics, but having seen her just as many times, she comes across to me at least, as more divisive, more shallow, and more interested in a soundbite at the expense of subtlety and voters curious but uncommitted to the Greens. She preaches to the choir, in other words.

    It’s a sorry state of affairs that Grog is doing a better job of politics coverage than the twenty or so professional journalists employed full time to do the same.

  12. Paul Norton

    Paul Walter #1:

    The next article needs to cover the nature of the Milne SHY rivalry itself ( policy or/and personalities ).

    Grog’s post explains quite clearly why we’re not likely to see such an article any time soon.

  13. paul walter

    One supposes it’s generational, as usual; 12.
    The worst blow for the Greens came with the elimination of Kerry Nettle. Hanson Young is still some years behind Nettle and only time will tell, as to the longer term.
    I hope they don’t do what the Democrats did and spend their success on inventing ways to knee cap one another.

  14. Fine

    I’m pleased that Bob Brown is linking the sale of the Stock Exchange to the execution of Van Nguyen. How quickly we forget these things; except for Van’s family and friends who are still suffering.

    I can’t warm to SHY. I really hope that it’s not some unrecognised, deeply held bias against young women, but she irritates me immensely. She reminds me of some sort of shallow, but highly successful head prefect. Milne, on the otherhand always comes across as so smart and prepared.

  15. Liam

    Fine, (and I’m sure Paul Norton will back me up here) Sarah Hanson-Young was a student politician in the Independents faction, a bizarre grouping unique and endemic to South Australia. They don’t have ties to any of the major Parties or a real political history to ground their members in, they’re more of a grouping of the ambitious.
    She strikes me, too, as the kind of ex-student politician who hasn’t worked themselves out of the habit of grandstanding.

  16. patrickg

    Interesting. I thought I was in a small minority to have that opinion of SHY.

  17. FDB

    Perhaps you are in a small minority Patrick, but I’m there with you too.

    BTW, I can’t believe I haven’t been put on automoderation after my last comment.

  18. Brett

    BTW, I can’t believe I haven’t been put on automoderation after my last comment.

    Indeed, seeing as self-moderation has clearly failed…

  19. FDB

    That was meant as some kind of apology, having failed on the filtering in the first place, but on reflection has no obvious contrition in it at all.

    So… I am sorry for what was a genuinely off-colour comment.

    As you were… delete as appropriate… &c &c

  20. David Irving (no relation)

    It was a bit too subtle for me, FDB, until you drew attention to it.

  21. Paul Norton

    Liam #15, I don’t actually know whether SHY was in the Independents in NUS but her bio on Wiki says that she was the first student since Natasha Stott-Despoja (who was certainly in the Indies) to be elected President of the Adelaide University on an independent ticket.

  22. Fran Barlow

    I don’t suppose it has occurred to Ms Bligh that a more legitimate tactic for getting green preferences might involve governing like someone who cares about equity and sustainability?

    Doesn’t her rejection of this fairly obvious approach demand the conclusion that her attempt to use electoral coercion reflects her desire to have a boss class policy and yet secure the votes of those who oppose that policy?

    So the tactic is simply an attempt to hold together people who don’t belong together by violating the right of all to vote for whom they would prefer — unethical ends secured by unethical means.

  23. Fran Barlow

    oops wrong thread …

  24. rumrebellious

    Curious, did the senators-elect get a vote?

    Just a wild card prediction. I reckon the next leader of the Australian Greens will be Senator Siewert and Senator Milne will be deputy.

  25. Fine

    Stott- Despoja always irritated me as well, Liam. Your explanation may well tell me why. A friend went to Uni with NSJ and said she had no strongly held political convictions at all, but she knew which way the wind blew.

  26. Steve at the Pub

    Fine @ 14: I knew Bob Brown was a dickhead, but I didn’t realise he was that much of a dickhead.

    …Bob Brown is linking the sale of the Stock Exchange to the execution…(of some druggo)

  27. Fine

    Yes, Steve – a ‘druggo’ who’s family and friends I know really well and who I actually met. So, you can fuck right off with your troglodyte attitude. You’re one of those weak pricks who writes stuff like that, but would run a mile if you ever had to talk to his Mum.

  28. Steve at the Pub

    Actually Fine, it isn’t me who raised children that became hard-core criminals, including drug smugglers, it was her.

    So in fact is is you who can take your troglodyte attitude and fuck right off.

  29. Hal9000

    You advertise yourself as someone who sells drugs of addiction for a living, SATP. The biblical line about motes and planks would seem to apply. You really do come across as a deeply unpleasant piece of work.

  30. Paul Burns

    Surely the death penalty is unacceptable, whatever the crime, and its certainly unacceptable for drug crimes. Even the idea of a life for a life, which I think is entirely primitive, doesn’t work, because it just makes the state as bad as the executed murderer. And just to point out how its on thread, the Greens are against the death penalty.

  31. Steve at the Pub

    Hal9000, contact your member of parliament & lobby for prohibition, otherwise STFU about my industry. I work, don’t hold my hand out to the govt or anybody else, & when the chips are down people don’t have to shop with me.
    If you have envy/sour grapes/whatever about this, tough luck.

    Paul Burns, nope. Death penalty for drugs is fine with me. The Greens are against it? (how nice). Wouldn’t expect anything else from a party of perpetual adolescents.
    There are plenty of objectionable aspects to Singapore. Their drugs laws are not among that.

  32. Jarrah

    “Death penalty for drugs is fine with me.”

    Only some drugs, though, obviously. Which is hypocritical. Maybe you’re fine with that. Don’t expect us to be.

  33. paul walter

    This is a derail?
    Back to the proposition that msm omits news outside of a narrow sphere that it wants the part of the demographic it adresses to know. Think of TT and ACA; between either of them, the next broadsheet news story they take and cover seriously will be the first.
    The Oz is another example; home to a melodrama of plots and emotive fantasies in an older, conservative demographic.
    What’s happened to msm in the lasty four or five years has been all downhill.
    Some spray from satp, but, na, not now thanks- not back to the Wild West and Dubya and all the other wanky stuff.

  34. Fine

    As I said, SATP a weak prick and a hypocrite, who I’m quite sure is happy to sell alcohol to alcoholics. Van’s grace and dignity whilst facing death would shame you. Hang your head.

  35. Liam

    Fine, Jarrah, it’s not hypocrisy for a retailer of one particular product to argue for his competitors to be executed. It’s rather refreshing honesty in late-stage capitalism if you ask me.

  36. Fine

    Too true Liam, in this age of brutalism.

  37. Patrickb

    SATP, you have no problem with making a complete arse of yourself in public so you? You sell drugs, what you sell causes more misery than the type of stuff Van was executed for trafficking. You sell your drug to people who should spend their money on more important things and who obviously have a problem. I expect you’re worried about the inroads that might be made into your business if people had a range of drugs to choose from, is that it? I know that that the bottom line is important and traditionally small business operators such as yourself are very anti-competitive

  38. Steve at the Pub

    Oh boy oboy, a few anger management issues here.

    ..complete arse…fuck off…weak prick…hypocrite… etc

    makes me feel like I’m at a union meeting.

    Jarrah; You are correct, I oppose only some drugs, the illegal ones. I am fine with this, deal with it.
    If you are unhappy with this, lobby your member of parliament to have the law changed.
    Cognitive dissonance, obtuseness, or unfamiliarity with Australian idiom, I can’t be bothered to work out which afflicts you and is responsible for your comment #32.

    Fine; You make some nasty accusations, libel doesn’t become you, nor is it likely you can afford it. You’re “quite sure” I’m happy to sell alcohol to alcoholics? News flash: “I’m quite sure” doesn’t make it very far as evidence.
    Please provide a legally sustainable definition of “alcoholic”, and a legally sustainable case as to why selling alcohol to them is wrong. Or STFU.
    BTW, you can cease the comparisons about how I’d face impending execution for drug possession. I’m not an internation drug smuggling piece of scum. Deal with it.

    PatrickB; Join Hal9000 in lobbying you member of parliament for prohibition. Or STFU.
    I don’t care if it is cognitive dissonance, obtuseness, or plain pig ignorance that prevents you from discerning between legal & illegal substances. You have deeper issues than your simple jealousy at my ability to feed myself in modern society.

    Liam; Executing my competitors is a new and most interesting angle. At least Three candidates immediately spring to mind. Alas their sin is more along the lines of bringing the industry into disrepute, rather than providing healthy competition.
    Competitors I welcome. Without competition the quality of my product would not be improving.

  39. Fine

    I think it’s best to take the high road with SATP. So, I’ll take a leaf out of Van’s book; smile and sincerely wish you all the best in the future.

  40. Charlie

    Without buying into the off-topic thread, I don’t see how a state sanctioned ‘death penalty’ can be justified. At all.

    But back to the Greens. Amazingly SHY has only been in the Senate for 2 years – seems longer. Her ‘babe in arms’ probably helped her profile and she seems profligate on ABC shows like ‘Q&A’ (which is fast becoming – Tony tells a joke), but then so are the likes of Sophie Mirabella.

    I agree with others that I haven’t been able to warm to SHY. It might be the structure of her arguments or the way they are presented, their delivery. There is a self-rightousness and selfishness there, that doesn’t allow for my opinion.

    Not to make comparisons, really, but I’ve always been impressed with Milne’s decency, strength of conviction and depth of argument – years ago, she was good value, well before she became a Senator. Still is.

  41. Paul Norton

    SATP, why should your critics lobby for prohibition? Their argument is that the drug Van vended (and its vendors like Van) should have the same legal status as the drug you vend (and its vendors like yourself).

  42. Steve at the Pub

    Then they phrased it badly Paul Norton. If they meant “Heroin should be licenced, alla same longa how liquor is” it instead came out as “fuck off..Arse…You deeply unpleasant piece of work…Troglodyte etc etc”.

    This confused me a tad & I was not able to detect all those words as meaning they in fact wanted a regulated & licenced heroin/cocaine industry. (Use my open palm to slap my forehead).

  43. Steve at the Pub

    The suitability or otherwise of Sarah Hanson-Young is not relevant.

    A minor but important political party, one that is part of the Government of Australia had an internal challenge for the Deputy Leader’s position, and the entire Canberra Press Gallery did not notice for several weeks. Every single Journalist assigned to do nothing but follow the machinations of parliament and the Government, completely missed this event.

    Egg, meet press gallery faces (every last one of them).

  44. Paul Burns

    I found SHY very off-putting at first but have got used to her. Now and then I’ve found Christine Milne harsh (I think that is the right word) but lately her TV persona seems to have softened or something. Anyway she makes a very good impression now. Perhaps having a stake in running things, however small, has given her more gravitas. Much better than shouting from the sidelines without influence. If this stake is what it takes to improve the Greens, then lets have more of it. It can only be better for the country. As for SHY, I’ve no doubt, like the rest of the Greens have done over the years she’ll improve with time. And lets face it, whatever else they lack, they do have integrity and, apart from the Independents, that’s sadly lacking in the majority of our politicians.

  45. paul walter

    Gee, dunno satp, If I were to be for or agin’ a drug, it’d be on its dangers or otherwise to health, not its “illegality”.
    I understand the impulse to the death penalty; have any of us not thought “a rope’s too good for the bastard” after a particularly sadistic murder has turned up in the local papers.
    As to drug penalties, most people know the penalites are Draconian in some places offshore, why not just give these a miss?
    In our world, the law seems to protect rather than punish the guilty, in a lot of cases and people should take this as rule of thumb in their afairs: justice is never a certainty.

  46. harleymc

    Good on you Steve calling people druggos when you’re a pusher of a drug of addiction. Hypocrite.

  47. Steve at the Pub

    There is a moral equivalence between heroin & alcohol eh Harleymc?

    I have another thing over you. I actually know the meaning of “pusher”.

  48. zoot

    There is a moral equivalence between heroin & alcohol eh Harleymc?

    There isn’t??