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177 responses to “Open #Spill thread”

  1. Paul Norton
  2. mindy

    Annabel Crabb [email protected] 20m
    Mark Simkin on ABC reports that the Rudd people have got everything completely organised and nailed down except a definite candidate

  3. Overseas

    Tony Jones asked on Q&A if Bill Shorten had a case of Lady McBeth, trying to wash blood off the hands. However, I always thought Shorten was more Shakespeare’s Richard III, “my kingdom for a horse.”

    Dick III is said to have bumped off just about everyone including the princes in the tower to get to the kingship. So too Shorten has hobbled two Labor leaders and he will inherit a train wreck.

    Thanks for nothing Bill, and for everyday the Abbott is in the lodge, I hope you wash your hands for all the caucus members who are about to loose their jobs.

  4. mindy

    @PaulBongiorno Something funny going on. Chair of Caucus has not called a meeting for 9am and so far knows of no petition for one.

  5. Tim Macknay

    Latika Bourke is also reporting that after around 1 hour of phone calls she has only found one Labor MP who will admit to having seen the petition. Very strange.

  6. akn

    Spill? Pumpkin soup on Rudd’s blue tie, egg on Gillard’s face, blood and gutz everywhere else.

  7. Liz

    What the hell is going on with this soap opera? I don’t believe a thing until it actually occurs now.

  8. alfred venison

    He could avoid all questions of confidence by proroguing Parliament and requesting that Ms Bryce call on an election. Under the constitution, Labor would have a maximum 63 days to got to the polls – meaning an election in mid to late August.”

    anne twomey
    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/constitutional-crisis-looms-as-parliament-enters-uncharted-waters-20130626-2owf0.html#ixzz2XHrEw09l

  9. David Irving (no relation)

    So, just a bunch of lazy journos making shit up. Again.

  10. Ootz

    It’s a ‘State of Original’ … Up the mighty beer can!!

  11. Helen

    I’m with Liz. But in the event that it turns out to be the case and Rudd does get up, we’ll be dusting off that old jpg and adding to it.

    Don’t fuck it up …again.

    So over it!

  12. Doug

    Anyone want to speculate on the future of James Hird at Essendon? There seems to be more substance in that story

  13. Link

    Jupiter moves into Cancer today and Mercury stations retrograde. We deserve an election while Mercury is retrograde. Abbott deserves such an inauspicious beginning. And another hung parliament. (We should be so lucky, God, spare us from the smary, army if they win in a landslide.) A vote of no-confidence forthcoming from Mr Windsor if this live news feed, personal, psycho-drama is true. Mercury retrograde Tone, heh heh heh. And a good possibility you have to front up for another election within 12 months because you’re a conservative reactionary and just bound to fuck-up. This is fun huh?

    Rudd would be well advised to leave this toxic baby well alone. The morning after for whoever leads the ALP after the next election is going to be like a scene from On the Road. GRIM.

    This wouldn’t be happening (If indeed it is happening) if the Canberra Press Gallery were a little more . . . what?

  14. mindy

    Bernard Keane [email protected] 1m
    Gillard demands that if Rudd loses, he retires. If she loses, she will.

  15. Ambigulous

    Ballot at 7pm tonight.
    PM was on Sky News, accoring to “The Age” online.

  16. akn

    Dear oh dear. There’s to be a ballot tonight at 19:00. What time is kickoff? What about the playing surface?

  17. Craig Mc

    Well, I for one hope Julia hangs on, so she receives the electoral acclaim she so richly deserves on Sep 14.

  18. mindy

    our man in Canberra [email protected] 7m
    The pre-match entertainment looks to be a bit shit this year. #origin #spill

  19. Tim Macknay

    What time is kickoff? What about the playing surface?

    Surface has not been groomed. There may be some debris remaining from the previous match. Uncertain fitness levels in both teams. Also, potential for bad weather to disrupt the match.

  20. Liz

    Gillard is one gutsy woman. I wonder if Rudd will turn up this time?

  21. Lefty E

    Damn, overseas for the big moment.

    A 7pm spill? If that’s true Gillard is trying to head them off at the pass, a another tactical move to forestall rather than resolve anything – which means she isn’t confident and hopes inertia carries the day under pressure.

    It seems the AWU are out heavy ing – in case anyone still thought it wasn’t about internal control. Preselection for a seat you won’t win may be less of a pressure point than they think.

  22. akn

    It’s like having a ballot for who should captain The Titanic after it hit the iceberg. Shudder. The careers about to go down the shitter. The position. The power and the passion. I hope they allgo down with the effing ship.

  23. Liz

    I think insisting that the loser leaves politics is trying to resolve something, Lefty E. I know you don’t like Gillard but give some credit for putting it on the line.

  24. Lefty E

    It’s just an attempt to forestall a proper contest and hang on. It’s not tough, it’s just tactical and a little desperate and some would say evasive.

    Can’t blame her – Its her best tactic but don’t pretend it resolves anything.

    If she’s confident – what’s the problem with a proper reflection among MPs for tomorrow?

  25. Liz

    Apparently, Gillard is in the House listening to Windsor’s valedictory speech. She’s a class act.

  26. Liz

    ‘A proper reflection’? That’s a joke, surely? How long have they had to reflect? And I suspect that it wouldn’t matter what happens, you wouldn’t think it was a resolution unless Rudd wins. Did you not notice her challenge to Rudd that the loser should leave? That’s about as resolved as you can get.

  27. Lefty E

    One good thing is that Howes has effectively made it clear today that it * is* about party reform. He is against having people outside his influence in charge.

  28. Chris

    A 7pm spill? If that’s true Gillard is trying to head them off at the pass, a another tactical move to forestall rather than resolve anything – which means she isn’t confident and hopes inertia carries the day under pressure.

    Yes, she’s been tactically very good at defeating Rudd in the past catching him on the hop. I agree that it hasn’t actually fixed anything in the long term, perhaps because there is a feeling left that if he got the timing better he’d succeed.

    I know you don’t like Gillard but give some credit for putting it on the line.

    Given that it sounds like there was a petition going around anyway she basically had a choice between tonight or tomorrow morning. Not really putting much on the line.

    I think insisting that the loser leaves politics is trying to resolve something,

    Except that Rudd has a history of not playing by the rules that Gillard sets. He was meant to retire from politics after Gillard become PM. He was meant to retire after the first challenge and the non challenge but he didn’t. As I’ve mentioned before I think that misjudging Rudd was the faction power broker’s biggest mistake when deciding to topple Rudd. The expected him to meekly leave the scene and he’s refused to do so. They couldn’t offer him a cushy job because unlike many other MPs he doesn’t need the money.

  29. Liz

    And sorry, ‘evasive’? Now, bringing on a spill is being evasive! Rudd may well win. I don’t think it’s going to do Labor much good, either way.

  30. Liz

    Yes, Chris. Much better that he hangs around destroying the government. What a hero.

  31. Ambigulous

    Kevin to speak shortly.
    Hand around the loaves and fishes….

  32. Nickws

    Thank god she called the spill; I was absolutely terrified she was going to go to Bryce to ask for a snap election, and it does sound like there were some people laying the spin groundwork for that, by declaring that Windsor and Oakeshott both resigning is as good as a vote of no confidence on the floor, because of course it is.

    Also: Latham reckons Rudd won’t stand, and if he does stand, he will lose. So Biffo is one of these psychopaths who isn’t afraid to get caught making a foolish prediction, eh? I’d always wondered what levels of selfcontrol that psychopath had over his personal image creation. It’s less than I thought…

  33. Chris

    Yes, Chris. Much better that he hangs around destroying the government. What a hero.

    If not Rudd, its likely that there would have been someone else challenging this term of parliament. By overthrowing Rudd the party basically set a precedent that its ok to toss out the leader when polling gets a bit rough. Without Rudd around there would have been another ALP MP polling much higher than Gillard.

    Anyway we agree that I don’t think it will make much of a difference. Its just too late.

    As an aside, its times like this I am thankful we have a public service that keeps the country running while those in charge are distracted!

  34. Nickws

    Lefty E @ 27

    One good thing is that Howes has effectively made it clear today that it * is* about party reform.

    There was an interesting story about Howes trying to get the other unions to pony up more money for the election campaign, but they told him to stuff it.

    If these other unions do go and donate additional funds to Rudd, then buh bye Piggy Howes.

  35. Katz

    Gillard’s playing hardball. Good on her.

    Will Rudd accept Gillard’s terms re retirement of loser? I doubt it. But Rudd doesn’t have to acknowledge it unless he loses.

  36. Tim Macknay

    Rudd confirms he will challenge. He agrees to Gillard’s request that the loser retire from politics.

  37. Chris

    Rudd has just announced he will not contest the next election if he loses.

    Nickws @ 32 – I would welcome an early election and get it over and done with asap.

  38. Chris

    Whatever happens I hope that neither of them win by just a handful of votes.

  39. Lefty E

    Well The fact the Rudds running will make it decisive after all. Good. I’m trying to follow from OS and can’t see the speech, damn!

    Yes a quick vote is obvs a tactic from Gillards numbers people. But fair enough- challenge accepted. It’s on, and I’m glad he’s accepted terms.

  40. Ambigulous

    If Kevin wins, the Governor-General has a role to play.

    Kevin mentioned economic policies, the end of the “10 year China resource boom” (implying his knowledge of China may help???)

    If Kevin wins, Wayne Swan might not be Treasurer?

  41. Ambigulous

    So Lefty E, you missed his saying at the end (forestalling any questions) that he had colleagues to speak to, so he had to “zip”.

  42. Katz

    Barrie Cassidy on 774 claims to have got a text from a JG loyalist who thinks she’ll lose FWIW.

  43. Peter Murphy

    So what’s Shorten doing?

  44. Jumpy

    Didn’t see Rudd announcement, what colour tie did he wear?

  45. Nickws

    Chris @ 32

    I would welcome an early election and get it over and done with asap.

    I understand this sentiment entirely. But if Gillard had called a snap election instead of (or at least before) the leadership ballot, then that would have been getting into real Billy Hughes territory. Not good at all.

    But there were some media types prepped for it happening this afternoon, they were staking out Yarralumla apparently.

  46. Ambigulous

    BLUE tie

  47. Nickws

    Katz, Barrie himself loses if she hangs on.

    He isn’t relinquishing the power of his couch/throne easily (though I do think he’s right about her losing).

  48. John D

    If Rudd wins it will be hard for him to claim credit for all the amazing things Julia has achieved in this hung parliament. Julia had a similar problem in 2010 – she really couldn’t claim credit for the good things Labor had done during the GFC.
    My take is that Gillard has a real chance of winning once the media gets over endless challenges and concentrates on what has been achieved and how thin the alternative is. Rudd is likely to go backwards once the LNP starts unloading on him.

  49. Jumpy

    @46

    BLUE tie

    Fair dinkum?
    Misogynistic [email protected]@rd !!!

  50. verity

    Shorten is nowhere to be found, apparently…

  51. Jumpy

    We’ll see what having Piggy Howes ” having your back ” is worth.

  52. Nickws

    Swannie is tweeting about this stuff? Really? https://twitter.com/SwannyDPM/status/349794052834721793

    Also, why have we calling him Swannie all this time, when it’s _Swanny_?

  53. Nickws

    NB: Swan’s twitter main page has that message as being a quarter hour ago, not at 12:39 AM as the individual tweet says.

  54. Lefty E

    If Rudd wins tonight a few heads need to roll, obviously Swan among them. But otherwise the tone should be Ruddconciliation.

  55. alfred venison

    blue with white polka dots. -a.v.

  56. Nickws

    I think this is headed for a Keating-topples-Hawke margin, which might be a problem, the party could really do with a leader with a supermajority in the caucus room.

    But Rudd was never supposed to be able to win any sort of ballot, he was meant to be anathema to Labor.

    That’s been such a powerful narrative, that you even end up with some Green folk deciding that’s always been a core part of their political identity.

    So imagine what the woman in the street will think when KRudd proves he isn’t about to get expelled from the ALP!:-)

  57. Lefty E

    Just hearing Rudd’s speech. The lack of a real choice line for the public was powerful and telling. Sadly its true.

    I dont dislike Gillard but its a lay down misere at the moment.

    Rudds signalled attack line on LNP austerity is a real angle. Swan and Gillard cant make this becuase of the their ‘surplus at all costs, then fail’ nonsense.

  58. alfred venison

    sigh, lindsay tanner isn’t on twitter. -a.v.
    http://tweetmp.org.au/mps/invite/137

  59. Peter Murphy

    Lefty E: Rudd has witnessed ‘austerity’ first hand with Newman’s cuts and petty privatisations of schools ovals. He knows better. So should Swan: his electorate borders Rudd’s.

  60. alfred venison
  61. Jumpy

    The bookies odds favouring Rudd, bigtime.

  62. Ambigulous

    lord alfred,

    methinks Lindsay Tanner made his view fairly clear by resigning on the day Ms Gillard was elevated to the leadership.

  63. Liz

    Rudd is such a rude turd. How dare he refer to the PM as Julia. That’s the sort of disrespect she’s had to put up with.

  64. Nickws

    Reports are Bill Shorten is going to give a presser 30 minutes before the spill.

    I’m not kidding.

  65. alfred venison

    Ambigulous, i think so too, i admire him immensely. -a.v.

  66. Jumpy

    Will Bill throw his hat in the ring?

  67. Nickws

    Skynews is saying Shorto is ratting to Rudd.

    If true, time for Gillard fans here to revive that old “Gillard has a secret plan to beat THE ENTIRE RIGHT by beating Rudd” stuff.

  68. Chris

    Shorten has changed sides

  69. Jacques de Molay

    Shorten announces he will be supporting Rudd!

  70. alfred venison

    the faceless controller blinked. -a.v.

  71. Peter Murphy

    I believe that Kevin Rudd leading us to this election will provide Australians, my colleagues and those who want to support the Labor Party with the best chance of Labor winning office after this election.

    “The achievements of both the first term and second term Labor governments are many. It is these achievements which I want to fight for.

    “I also believe fundamentally that Australians, regardless of their politics, want to see the Labor Party perform as strongly as it can at the next election. If PM Gillard wins the ballot tonight, I wish her well and I will offer my resignation as a Cabinet minister.

  72. Katz

    Fear trumps hatred.

  73. Ambigulous

    So, when Bill Shorten appeared sombre (and realistic) about the opinion polls a few weeks ago, he WAS seriously considering his position…..

  74. Nickws

    Never bet against Barrie Cassidy.

    And I say that as someone who thinks Insiders is a cancer on Auntry, journalism, the nation, etc.

  75. Ambigulous

    Bill Shorten this time, as gutsy as Simon Crean “last time”.

  76. Liz

    That’s about right, Katz. Interesting that Windsor and Oakeshott aren’t that interested in supporting Rudd. Shows what they think of him.

  77. Katz

    Treasurer Crean?

  78. Jumpy

    Ok,ok point taken.
    I’ll just lurk for the next 12 hours or so and let the blood pressures get back to normal.
    Cheers 🙂

  79. alfred venison

    treasurer albanese?

  80. Lefty E

    Surely Rudd will win now. Apparently Shorten’s numbers alone doesnt get Rudd there, but his support will have to turn many others,

  81. Nickws

    “Bob Carr has switched [to Rudd], and he switched months ago.”

    That will sting. I think he was a good captain’s pick by Gillard, she deserves credit for that; but she must have realised she was picking a man who would either act as a free agent, or a Sussex Street old boy.

  82. alfred venison

    rudd’s odds have dramatically shortened. -a.v.

  83. Ambigulous

    Quite a few who trooped off to the back bench in March, to choose from.

    Nonetheless, a shambles.

    (Didn’t the Libs make the better decision, in not dumping John Howard just before the 2007 election?)

  84. Lefty E

    I very very much doubt the cross bench will install Abbott as PM. In fact, Ill put $20 on them backing Rudd on a shorter term election campaign now.

  85. Peter Murphy

    Gillard was 4.50 at Sportsbet before Shorten’s declaration; she’s 12.00 now.

  86. Jacques de Molay

    To quote Johnny Rotten, “Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?”

  87. Paul Norton

    Without naming certain regular LP commenter with strong views on this issue, I think the whole sorry Gillard-Rudd saga totally shreds any claims that the ALP represents a superior level of political professionalism to that of the Greens.

  88. Graham Bell

    If Rudd gets back in the chair, the Chinese will be very, very, very unhappy …. again!

    They like Lao Wai to be docile, obsequious, easily awed, lacking in both curiosity and assertiveness, fearful of causing offence …. and terrified of losing even a tiny bit of ‘market share (?)’.

    Quick! Quick! Stop him right now! Think of the shareholders (and of directors’ pelf too). :-O

  89. Nickws

    Yes, bookies’ odds.

    Everybody who says their guts are telling them the installation of Rudd is a mistake, study the bookies over the next few weeks vis-a-vis KRudd 2.0 shortening Labor’s odds in the general election.

  90. Nickws

    I think the whole sorry Gillard-Rudd saga totally shreds any claims that the ALP represents a superior level of political professionalism to that of the Greens.

    I want to go on record stating I congratulated the Green leadership for being coldly professional about the options facing them here.

    Certain Green grassroots, maybe not so much; but if one considers onself to be Gillard defender 1, Green 2, then is one a real supporter/member of Australia’s third party?

  91. Lefty E

    Well said Paul Norton~!

    They have Shorto, we have Norto.

  92. Tim Macknay

    According to News Ltd, Rudd has been elected unopposed.

  93. Mindy

    Some calling it for Rudd already, ABC 24 still on interview with Annabel Crabb.

  94. Liz

    So any of the blokes here want to call Rudd a back stabber, treacherous, a betrayer?

  95. alfred venison

    he doesn’t have to go to a vote of confidence. he can advise the g-g to prorogue parliament and go to an election in august. the independents are irrelevant. -a.v.

  96. David

    Who’s willing to place bets that the next female prime minister will be Sophie Mirabella?

  97. Peter Murphy

    We’re having some people around for dinner. Everyone is happy that Rudd got the spot. My wife actually cheered.

  98. Nickws

    Richo reckons a 24 August election.

  99. alfred venison

    cheered. so did ms kiewa-venison. -a.v.

  100. Nickws

    Former tory treasurer in the Costello govt, Lord Michael Kroger, says this is a disaster for Labor.

  101. Lefty E

    Im cheering., but waiting for comfirmation

  102. mindy

    Looks like we’ll be waiting a while Liz. What a shock.

  103. Peter Murphy

    Funniest Tweet I’ve read all night.

    Stephen Spencer [email protected]_63
    NSW SES about to declare 4 mile exclusion zone around Mark Latham.

  104. Lefty E

    Turns out Bazza Cassa was right.

  105. Overseas

    @ Liz

    To quote Yes Prime Minister, “It is necessary to get behind someone before you can stab them in the back.”

  106. Nickws

    I can see Latham advocating people vote for the Liberals at the election, because Tony Abbott needs a chance to prove himself.

    We can laugh, but that just makes the political circus worse.

  107. Paul Norton

    Liz @94:

    So any of the blokes here want to call Rudd a back stabber, treacherous, a betrayer?

    I’ll call him that but I don’t think he’s unique or unusually reprehensible among the protagonists in events over the past few years.

  108. Graham Bell

    Alfred Venison @ 95

    the independents are irrelevant

    All of us had better hope and pray that independents do NOT become irrelevant.

    Given all the loathing for BOTH main political parties …. loathing that is flying way below the radar of the pollsters and commentators …. the alternatives to independents (whoever they may be) being relevant in the next Parliament are very nasty indeed.

    If independents do happen to become irrelevant …. I suggest you do not park your nice shiny car anywhere close to when crowds could congregate.

  109. desipis

    A 7pm spill? If that’s true Gillard is trying to head them off at the pass, a another tactical move to forestall rather than resolve anything

    Which just goes to show how Gillard might have political skills with policy and the dealings inside the party but by scheduling a leadership spill during a state of origin game she is clueless about what that mythical Western Sydney working class voter cares about.

  110. Paul Norton

    Channel 7 is now reporting 57-45 for Rudd.

  111. Peter Murphy

    Rudd 57, Gillard 45.

  112. Paul Norton

    And now confirmed by the Caucus Returning Officer.

  113. Jacques de Molay

    Rudd wins 57-45

  114. alfred venison

    anne twomey said in this morning’s edition of the sydney morning herald (now removed):-

    He could avoid all questions of confidence by proroguing Parliament and requesting that Ms Bryce call on an election. Under the constitution, Labor would have a maximum 63 days to got to the polls – meaning an election in mid to late August.

    in that case the independents are irrelevant.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/constitutional-crisis-looms-as-parliament–enters-uncharted-waters-20130626-2owf0.html#ixzz2XHrEw09l
    a.v.

  115. Nickws

    A more comfortable number than Keating/Hawke’s 56 to 51.

  116. Ambigulous

    Tim @ 92

    They were wrong.

    ***
    Yes, I’ll call him treacherous, betrayer, deceiver, egotist, mangler of English; but where does that leave us?

    ***
    Farewell Ms Gillard, you made a good fist of being our first female PM. I hope to see some more.

  117. Liz

    As a friend just emailed me, now I get to tell my daughter she can be anything… But a PM.

    Gillard had to fight two men. Abbott and Rudd. And people here are cheering. Amazing. As I said, the soft sexism of progressive men. Everyone gets to be happy because we have the choice now between two boring men. Business as usual. Makes me want to vomit.

  118. duncanm

    yes Liz.. that’s right.

    Its all because she was female.

    FFS.

  119. Ambigulous

    The Australian reports that Mr Swan, Senator Conroy, Dr Emerson and Mr Ludwig have quit the Ministry.

    So a ballot for Deputy Leader seems in order?

  120. David

    Y’know. for all the p r o g r e s s i v e hatred of Sophie Mirabella, she’ll probably be PM some day. I think a lot of the irrrational dislike is because the l e f t hate her for managing to stop the Republic in its tracks.

  121. alfred venison

    just for the record i haven’t said gillard was treacherous, i have always maintained that in scuttling the mrrt by toppling rudd she sold her country short to further her career. is that clear? -a.v.

  122. Jacques de Molay

    Ignore Liz she’s just trolling. She’s a hammer looking for a nail.

  123. duncanm

    David,

    people like Ms Mirabella and Bishop are not their sort of women.. they don’t count.

    [First and last warning: any more discussion of the female commenters on this thread and their supposed views will be shut down with much prejudice ~ Mod]

  124. Peter Murphy

    I reckon John McTernan had a lot to do with Gillard’s polling woes. Who’s idea was to get her knitting? His idea. Who defended Kyle Sandilands? He did.

    Gruen Tranfer regular Jane Caro told Crikey: “When you have the tactician talking about the tactics it means it’s not working … The most brilliant tactics don’t look like tactics?—?they feel effortless and seamless.”

    Caro describes the Women’s Weekly photo shoot?—?and the government’s overall communications strategy?—?as “scattergun”, “clunky” and “manufactured”. She says, unlike last year’s powerful misogyny speech in Parliament, the knitting shoot and the Women for Gillard “blue ties” speech seem contrived.

    “None of it feels genuine?—?even if it is,” she said. “It feels like they’re taking sharp turns all the time rather than having any coherent narrative.”

  125. Lefty E

    I have daughters, and Gillard is, and will remain an inspiration to them at some level. I very much doubt theyll be concluding they cant be PM, since she’s been PM for 3 years.

    I think the sicker element of our political culture might be that no one can rely on being PM throughout their first term. Thats happened twice now.

    Broadly, while I dont think its “wrong” to understand this whole business in terms of gender ( owing to the unbelievable MSM mysogynist horrors on talkback – Australia needs to have a good long hard look at itself). But to see the internal ALP leadership stoush in terms of gender does miss what it was about I think. I dont believe the ALP was swayed in the least by such factors.

  126. Lefty E

    YES! Willkie to support Rudd on the floor

  127. Paul Norton

    David @118, I think there are other LNP women who are more likely to become PM than Sophie Mirabella. As for the result of the 1999 Republic referendum, I think that the ineptitude of the republican leadership was a bigger factor than Ms. Mirabella’s role.

  128. Doug

    Resignation of Joe Ludwig is a distinct move forward

  129. Nickws

    Mirabella makes Abbott look not like Malcolm Turnbull, but like Lucy Turnbull.

  130. Liz

    And what your daughters will learn Lefty E, is that you’ll be insulted, humiliated and abused. That behaviour taken for granted when done by a man will be called treacherous when done by a woman. And then your own party will go along with it and knock you off, because we live in a country too immature to cope with a woman PM. And they’ll find progressive men are almost as bad as the conservatives. They’re just a bit more polite about their inability to cope with a woman as a PM.

  131. David Irving (no relation)

    Liz, I reckon Gillard is the second best PM this country has had in my lifetime. (No-one beats Whitlam. I say this as a man who squirted him in the crutch at a moritorium demo in about 1970 or -71 in Rundle St, just outside John Martin’s. I’m a former member of the psychedelic left.)

    Other David @118, I couldn’t care less about La Mirabella scuttling the republic (anyway, it was Howard). I dislike her because she’s extremely stupid (but as cunning as a shithouse rat), and extremely nasty. Oh, and bone fucking idle.

  132. Helen

    Yes Liz. The overwhelming impression the people like the ones who were voxpopped tonight on the ABC will be that a woman in charge will always be wrong and when a man shoulders her aside and takes the wheel, that’s when we’re safe. FFS.
    We had a choice between Gillard and then probably Abbott, or Rudd and then perhaps a bit less probably Abbott. What is there for me as a voter? Oh, yes, the Greens.

  133. paul burns

    Conway and Ludwig gone from Cabinet. That’s good, isn’t it?

  134. zorronsky

    Julia never had a fair go from day one..yet she persevered and performed in a minority government with true grit and positive results. But it sickens me when people who cheered on the Larry Pickerings and Co slimily want to give her credit just as if they’d made that clear all along. Well I believe her contribution will outlast all present members of parliament.

  135. Nickws

    Albo is the new deputy PM.

    Wong is senate leader.

    BTW, Richo reckons Wong voted for Rudd in the headline fight. I’d dismiss this out of hand, but where was she this last week on this subject?

  136. Doug

    Albanese as deputy PM is a distinct improvement

  137. Darryl Rosin

    Liz,

    Gillard was Prime Minister for 3 years and a couple of days, longer than Whitlam or Rudd. longer than 13 other men, and she prevailed for longer than many expected her to. most victories do not come with the utter vanquishing of your opponents, and no victory is protection against future indignities. I think my daughter will benefit from knowing those things.

    d

  138. Lefty E

    The many advantages of today continue PB! QLD up 14-0.

    I think history will be kinder to women’s prospects in reflecting on Gillard’s rise and fall than you allow Liz (though I accept and understand youre disappointed). I doubt they will ignore her achievements in some focus on impossible obstacles, which would be more convincing if it allowed for the possibility that she had many failings – and many of those had nothing to do with her gender.

    She has surely gained major respect for her toughness.

    And spare a thought for this: gay marriage is back on the agenda, and who knows, maybe the new Treasurer will reverse the changes to single parents benefits too. Ironicially, I suspect women now have a better chance of pre-selection in Batman and Gellibrand.

  139. Liz

    That’s a great story David Irving. I want to know when the media is going to start talking about policy now.

    And how long before Rudd backs down on the carbon tax.

  140. Graham Bell

    Alfred Venison @ 112

    Proroguing Parliament immediately would be the only way in which the voting power of the current batch of independents could be irrelevant.

    Liz @ 115

    Gillard had to fight two men. Abbott and Rudd

    Not quite. Rudd: she HAD to fight. Abbott: she CHOSE to fight.

    Who knows if it was the lawyer in her that compelled Julia Gillard to brawl with Tony Abbott, day in day out. Whatever it was it played right into Abbott’s hands and made it look as though she was more interested in squabbling than in running an effective government …. without the daily punch-up, she would have led Labor to victory in 2013.

    Please tell your daughter she CAN be whatever she wants – including Prime Minister – but only if she keeps her eyes firmly on her objective, undistracted by shouting and insults from the sidelines.

  141. Terangeree

    Rudd’s my local MHR.

    FWIW, my opinion is that both Rudd and Gillard have been good Prime Ministers.

    I see that the election date has been moved forwards into August. I suspect that Rudd will be less likely to let the Opposition direct the agenda, though.

  142. Liz

    She had many failings, Lefty E and many policies I disagree with vehemently. She also had to fight both Abbott and Rudd. No- one can prevail against those odds. But, it would have been very different if Rudd hasn’t worked so hard to destroy the government for three years. And he gets rewarded for that.

    BTW, Combet has just resigned. He’ll be missed.

  143. Graham Bell

    LeftyE @125

    Please pass on to your daughters the same advice I gave @ 140 to Liz @ 117. They can aim for the stars – and reach them.

  144. Lefty E

    Did I just hear that correctly? Sources in LNP already admitting they cant win the Senate now Rudd is leader.

  145. Jacques de Molay

    Emerson resigning from ministry and quitting politics.

  146. Lefty E

    Personally, I think Gillard screwed up 2010 Liz – not all on her own, admittedly with much help from bad NSW advisors. Moving forward, people’s assemblies, sell a dud car, making cast iron promises about not introducing a policy on CO2 tax, the real Julia etc etc.

    Maybe her advisors should be blamed more than her, given she was only weeks in the job, but it was a poor compaign.

  147. Maggie

    The greens holding the balance of power in a Coalition government will soon lose their virginity in every possible way or we will be back to the polls quick smart.
    I am proud of Prime Minister Gillard for holding a minority government together for three years against all odds and getting a lot done. Its been an interesting time and I will very much miss the frankness of Tony Windsor.
    Gillard was tough as they come and that is why there was no holds barred against her, as a woman I wouldn’t want it any other way. Politics is a blood sport and the best play it tough and she has never done anything but stare down her opponents on all sides. She was at her best when she got out from under the spin doctors and let them have it – her misogyny speech will carry forward as a battlecry to all women who take it up to those pathetic men who think that what you carry between your legs is more important than what you have in your head.

  148. Linda

    I hope liberal feminists in Australia take something away from this; men hate us.

  149. Lefty E

    Wow. That was a great speech from JG.

  150. Thorney

    Very good speech (just caught the final few minutes of it). If she writes a book like many other PM’s have, it’ll have quite the story to tell.

  151. alfred venison

    Graham Bell at 140

    as prime minister rudd can advise the governor general to prorogue parliament & call an election. he does not need to go to a vote of confidence. the precedent was set in canada in 2008 when the governor general on advice of her minority government prime minister prorogued parliament on the thursday before a monday confidence vote which had been tabled by the opposition parties the week before. -a.v.

    here is anne twomey from this morning’s sydney morning herald on the web:-

    ” He could avoid all questions of confidence by proroguing Parliament and requesting that Ms Bryce call on an election. Under the constitution, Labor would have a maximum 63 days to got to the polls – meaning an election in mid to late August. ”

    google the words “he can avoid all questions of confidence” and you will find links in several fairfax papers to the piece this quote came from, but click on the link & you will not find the quote in the article tonight. i find this beyond interesting. -a.v.

  152. Liz

    Yep. A great speech. Witty, composed, generous and gracious. Without a hint of bitterness. Look what at what we’re losing. Unlike Rudd she isn’t hanging around as a wrecker. Leaving with her head held high.

  153. Thorney

    Swan starting his speech. It would have been nice if he and a few others hadn’t bagged out Rudd in the press months ago and given the Monk some choice content for TV ads from now till September.

  154. Lefty E

    Now, lets get on and beat Abbott.

    I think he’s vulnerable. I think LNP support is soft. I think its game on.
    At the very least, I think the LNP are going to be sweating it for a change .

  155. Liz

    I agree Lefty E, that 2010 was a shocking campaign and Gillard stuffed up plenty. She also had Rudd leaking against her constantly. Notice that she’s leaving for the good of the Party. Not destabilising, not wrecking.

  156. GregM

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    I hope liberal feminists in Australia take something away from this; men hate us.

    All men hate liberal feminists?

    That’s a big call.

    If you are saying that some men hate liberal feminists then that is no doubt true.

    I would also have no doubt though that some liberal feminists hate all men and that all, or at least many, liberal feminists hate those men who hate liberal feminists.

  157. Maggie

    And as she said, Liz, it will be a little bit easier for the next woman PM and the one after that. Who knows, that could be your daughters, or mine, but likely my grandaughter, she is a little tough one. 🙂

  158. Jacques de Molay

    A good speech by Gillard. Swannie on now.

    I still disagree with the move but hopefully it goes some way towards stopping the Right gaining control of the senate again. Congrats to Penny Wong being named the new senate leader.

    Who was the previous senate leader, Evans?

  159. Graham Bell

    Excellent concession speech …. should be read/heard by all school students over the next few decades.

    Sorry to lose The First Bloke, Tim, who set an outstanding example to men whose spouses/partners are in, or are likely to be in, a position of power or influence or fame; he was the antithesis of all the mean and miserable nong-nongs who are dead-scared of shielas and express that fear in their irrational misogyny. (Good one you, Tim – and best wishes for the future to both of you too!)

    Jacques de Molay @ 145

    Emerson leaving? That’s really bad news …. and on top of the loss of Oakeshott and Windsor.

  160. Maggie

    And yes now to close ranks on Mr Abbott. I am sure he is crying into his speedos as we type, and Malcolm Turnbull is sharpening the knives. Its no sure thing that he will sweep in to a majority government, there is still the small fact of the electorate and everyone I know despises him.

  161. David Irving (no relation)

    Liz @ 139, the media are never going to talk about policy, because that exposes Abbott as an empty vessel. It’s going to be Kevin 0’Lemon from now until whenever he decides the election’s going to happen.

  162. Graham Bell

    Alfred Venison @ 150

    Thanks for that. As you said “beyond interesting”. And as Hugo Chavez said in a different context, “Hmmm, the Devil has been here; I can smell the sulphur ….”

  163. Ambigulous

    Excellent farewell speech by the PM.

  164. GregM

    Just saw Julia Gillard’s speech. The very definition of grace under pressure.

    I must express my bias. I think that she has been an excellent Prime Minister and with the passing of time this will be recognised, as she is seen as implementing an impressive reform program while managing a hung parliament and while being undermined all the way by a vengeful sociopath.

    I do not think for one minute that Kevin Rudd will receive anywhere as favourable a judgement. My only hope is that if he doesn’t lose his seat in the coming debacle he will do the decent thing after the coming election and resign from Parliament for the good of the Labor Party and of Australia.

    Not that I harbour any illusions that Kevin Rudd knows what the decent thing is. For him it is always and only about him.

  165. Liz

    I know, David Irving, I know. And now I’m watching all these journos talking about how good Gillard was and wondering why she couldn’t cut through.

  166. Graham Bell

    David Irving(NR) @ 161

    Cheer up. One good thing that will come out of all the vicious attacks on Julia Gillard and out of censoring or ignoring substantial news …. is that the unaccountable operation of news(?) media will come to an abrupt end. If you have shares in media corporations; sell! sell! sell!

  167. Liz

    I agree totally, Greg M.

    A few years ago I was producing a doco. I sent a crew up to Canberra to interview some pollies for it, Rudd was one of them. Before their encounter with him, they all felt quite positive about him. After, they loathed him. I was told he had this amazing ability to switch from affable faux folksiness when the camera was on and then switch to incredible nastiness to everyone, for no reason. They were gobsmacked. This was before he was PM.

  168. Darryl Rosin

    I hope writs for the House go out tomorrow. They won’t, but I want a campaign of maximum mayhem, a primal scream facilitated by the AEC. “A desperate choice for desperate times”.

    d

  169. Mr Denmore

    There is nothing inconsistent about on the one hand being appalled at the sexist treatment of Julia Gillard, recognising her great character and significant policy achievements and arguing on the other that she was a poor communicator, tactically inept or least very badly advised.

    And there is nothing inconsistent in recognising on the one hand that Rudd is an egomaniac, a control freak and an over-promiser, while on the other accepting that he seems better able to communicate and cut through with the many people parking their votes with Abbott.

  170. Jacques de Molay

    Rudd/Albo presser about to start.

  171. David Irving (no relation)

    Indeed, Mr Denmore. As always (well, since Hawke’s first term), I will hold my nose as I give Labor my second preference.

  172. Jacques de Molay

    Graham Bell @ 159,

    I agree was really taken aback by Windsor announcing he was quitting politics today. Oakeshott not as much but really appreciated Windsor.

  173. Craig Mc

    Liz, you could always tell your daughters that no matter how badly they try, they’ll never be the worst female prime minister of all time. That title’s now sown up.

  174. GregM

    And there is nothing inconsistent in recognising on the one hand that Rudd is an egomaniac, a control freak and an over-promiser, while on the other accepting that he seems better able to communicate and cut through with the many people parking their votes with Abbott.

    On the first part of your proposition Mr Denmore I agree, although I think that your characterisation of him is overly generous.

    On the second part, we will see.

    But I doubt that in the wash-up of the upcoming election that he will be found to be the great communicator he thinks he is.

    I think that he will find that he can’t reprise in 2013 the election campaign of 2007 where he had the advantage of non-incumbency with an electorate that had decided that after 11 years of Howard they should give the other side a go, just like they did in 1983 where, as Bill Hayden observed, a drover’s dog could have beaten the incumbent party.

  175. Graham Bell

    David Irving (NR) @171

    So it took 171 posts before anyone mentioned the politician whom I really do blame for derailing Labor: R.J.Hawke. So far as I’m concerned Hawke was our worst ever PM; worse even than Menzies who chucked away our sovereignty and our long-term prosperity; worse than Howard who gave us nothing but 11 years of wasted opportunities.

    I think Julia Gillard’s Prime Ministership compares with that of John Gorton.

  176. Thorney

    Rudd’s presser seems okay. Will be interesting to see the new dynamic at play against the Monk.

    Graham Bell, would be happy to hear you expand (briefly) on the faults of Hawkie. Not agreeing or disagreeing, just curious how and why he shat you so much. Worse than Howard? Yikes..

    Waiting for Rudd to go “Let me just say…” – jeez, I typed that and he said it before I even finished the sentence. He’s back!

  177. Jacques de Molay

    Deputy Prime Minister Albo, I like it.

    [Moderator note: new thread for post-spill speculation]