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18 responses to “Climate clippings 82”

  1. BilB

    Toxic Tony’s “told the troops to tone down the negativity about renewables, it seems, so that we can all be relaxed and comfortable”

    Isn’t that how you handle cattle heading in for slaughter?

  2. philip travers

    BilB I live on a cattle farm,the answer really is how far they are being transported.The C.S.I.R.O. has done some preliminary work on the CO2 matter with cattle.Whilst Brian presents well,I still feel and think sometimes the last year this year matter becomes indistinguishable.That is I saw a site that said there was no water on the Artic it has frozen over.The Albedo matter is something I am not willing to argue or point a site out.There is something of a growing consensus that the problem is Obama approved Geoengineering that is causing the problem by pumping a mixture into the atmosphere and by other means.Why it is hard for me to reject that,is simply like Brian.Murdoch and Monsanto and GMO.If they are so gung ho in the value of GMO why wouldn’t they be secretive about geoengineering already.A ex-Vietnam Veteran in the volunteer medical areas by the name of Ed. Ward shows how it is done. See Veterans Today and from there,or Google. I left it at LP. Is there some shame in recognising perhaps the U.S.A. government is stuffing the atmosphere up already!?

  3. philip travers

    Back again. Try SCIENCE.NASA.GOV……Todd Hoeksema Solar Physicist Director of Stanford University Wilcox Solar.. Observatory……Sun’s Magnetic Field Polarity Reversal..Because of the effects of this happening including matters Earth generally.Will find a within the small video documentary what maybe causing Albedo etc.High winds blowing here.Very loudly..distraction.

  4. pablo

    Your mention of Abbott’s determination to disband the Climate Change Authority got me confabulating. …after seeing an interview with a former boss of Shell Oil on Lateline Business (Wed August 7). He wants the US to have an energy authority much like the Federal Reserve to take the politics out of US and world energy policy. Close enough to climate policy to suggest both are too big a deal to be left to pollies.

  5. pablo

    An announcement is expected today on the possible expansion of Abbott Point coal export facilities at Bowen North Queensland. One investment bank that won’t be involved is Goldman Sachs who see ‘the window for thermal coal investment closing’ due to environmental regulation, CSG and energy efficiency steps.
    GS believe seaborne demand for thermal coal could peak in 2020 which doesn’t sound very positive long term for Abbott Point.
    Source: Climate Progress

  6. John D

    The WA government has retrospectively cut the feed in tarrifffor existing rooftop solar owners from the 40 cents/kWh they were promised in writing by the the LNP government in 2010 down to 20 cent/kWh next year. The decision raises sovereign risk concerns.
    In addition,

    Meanwhile, the Greens expressed horror that WA state-owned generator Verve Energy had allocated $287 million for investment in fossil fuel generation over the next four years, and just $2.5 million in sustainable generation. This included another $200 million on the ageing Muja power station. The government has already spent $266 million trying to upgrade Muja’s A and B before deciding that it was a waste of money.

    In 2013/14, Verve will spend $105 million on its fossil fuel generation plant, and just $130,000 on its sustainable energy portfolio, with a small upgrade to its four-turbine wind-diesel generation facility at the remote town of Denham, north of Shark Bay.

    Abbott and Rudd should be asked whether they will block investment in cola fired power.

  7. Helen

    Cola fired power won’t work John. Dropping Mentos in makes it fizz up a treat, but the reaction isn’t sustained enough to power anything much. Mind you, my son was able to make a right bloody mess with bi-carb.

  8. BilB

    I do believe that we have an entirely new denialist assault

    “Obama approved Geoengineering that is causing the problem ”

    opening up. Thankyou for that heads up Phillip Travers. A google look at this suggests that the nearest to it is that an Obama advisor is “open to geoengineering”. That is a far cry from Obama agreeing to, and then actively persuing geoengineering activities. And even then further to suggest that some secret plan to fix the atmosphere is actually “stuffing it up”,….. the mind boggles at the mental gymnastics at play here. I sure hope that you are keeping in the shade, Phillip.

    I’ve just seen on the ABC (no sound) that Greg Hunt is the Coalition Climate Change spokesman. Hah! Looking forward to an extra $100,000 per year just for saying “the scientists are all wrong, there is no Climate Change”.

  9. duncanm

    Sounds fantastic,

    lets go build some Franklin dams.

    oh.. wait.

  10. John D

    Helen: I haven’t worked how to get spell check to bring up cola as an error. However, my understanding is that cola does contribute to hyperactivity so maybe, if we could harness this energy………

  11. Moz in Oz

    BilB: I agree that Obama *is* approving geoengineering that is causing the problem. Those oil and coal subsidies don’t just happen by themselves, you know.

  12. Graham Bell

    Brian, you said

    So far this year nothing too dramatic is happening in terms of sea ice extent.

    That may be so but what about composition? ABC news this evening carried a story, from Davis in Antarctica, about falling pH of seawater. Scary stuff that won’t make the front pages of MMM’s tabloids.

    Just for fun, combine ^ acidity with albedo and halide changes …. and I do hope everyone enjoys a good night’s sleep tonight after playing around with that little scenario.

    The-elephant-in-the-room is reducing demand for electricity through more thoughtfully designed appliances and machines, through more careful use of electricity, etc.. That can never be allowed to happen, of course, because such a huge slice, world-wide, of the electricity generation and distribution is in private hands – and even those systems that are in government or public hands are driven primarily by the clamour for money too.

    Quick. Beam me up Scotty and let’s get to the hell out of here as fast as we can – this planet is stuffed.

  13. Ootz

    “The-elephant-in-the-room is reducing demand ..”
    You could build an industry around that, couldn’t we?

  14. Ootz

    “– this planet is stuffed.”

    Then why not take the energy reality pledge and become an ambassador, you have nothing to loose?

  15. Graham Bell

    [email protected] Thanks for that link which led to Martin’s Blog on MonetSavingExpert.com (sorry, link failed) about collective purchasing and switching.
    @14. a. Already do all that. b. Already have overflowing inbox. but it is a good idea.

    As for solar panels, it is easier and less disappointing to work on the assumption that all governments and electricity corporations will lie through their back-teeth, renege on undertakings and breach contracts on rebates, tariffs and anything else involving solemn promises.

    Simply reduce your own demand in all sorts of cunning ways – then buy only as big a system as you actually need yourself, with no illusions about making money – and if you do happen to get a rebate, reward or generous tariff, good luck to you.

  16. Tim Macknay

    The Barnett government has just backflipped on its policy of dumping the grandfathered feed-in tariff, after the issue rapidly built up a political head of steam since the budget announcement last week.

    What’s most interesting about it is that it now appears that solar energy has a political constituency.

  17. Tim Macknay

    Oops – forgot link.

  18. Graham Bell

    Heard it on radio here. Couldn’t believe my ears. They must have skipped all the lessons in Week1 of Politics 1.01.

    So in an age of worsening concern about climate change and of rapidly declining traditional sources of energy, their “accountancy” still uses Roman numerals and is yet to find out about double-entry bookkeeping. Yeah, I know. “It seemed like a good idea at the time”.