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14 responses to “Crisis or catastrophe? What will the IPCC say?”

  1. Roger Jones

    Hey Brian, IPCC!!

  2. Roger Jones

    And thanks for the plug. Have seen the draft and the word is the policymakers in plenary are helping to improve the language re context. This is in general a good thing.

  3. Crispin Bennett

    Some say we only really concentrate the collective mind when catastrophe looms or strikes.

    The current best bet would surely be that “looming” does not spur democracies (particularly corporate-marketing-trained democracies) into action. We can turn on a pin, but only choose to do so when reality smacks us very painfully in the face. With this particular crisis that will obviously be too late. A military-backed coup by technocratic ecophilosophers might give us a chance! Short of that, “we’re f*cked!” is about right.

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  5. Peter Murphy

    I have not much to say except: thanks, Brian. Some of my more denialist friends were getting shouty about the IPCC – I didn’t understand the fuss. Now I do.

  6. philip travers

    I become a denialist whenever I here something from Europe or the Royal Family members like Attenborough and human plagues. [Unacceptable sentence redacted – mod] FRIENDLY AS I am to alternative fuels etc. and sites like these,there is still something very amiss in accepting directions top down,if one thinks the IPCC is the top thinkers experts and understanders of humanity.WHEREAS sticking caps lock,from Uncensored Magazine,below the IPCC is an article from a NASA,matter. http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/163-new-discovery-nasa-study-proves-carbon-dioxide-cools-atmosphere.html So one end of the industrial military civilized backside know what the speaking end in no known human language is actually saying?So what are you saying!? Must now go and look up some more strategically eco friendly lithium batteries in case I can power my electric E-bike up more effectively.

  7. Val

    Hi Brian thanks for this – I’ve been doing some tweeting on this again, this time for Climate and Health Alliance, so been trying to keep up – although its difficult. There’s been a barrage of information, including all the pre- release information and then of course there will be more on Monday, so you get the big Information Age question: what of all this is significant? Several well informed people have suggested the ‘carbon budget’ is – it can really help with planning and strategic thinking on the issue.

    Fiona Harvey in the Guardian discusses the carbon budget in her article http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/27/ipcc-world-dangerous-climate-change. We will get more info about action in coming reports of course but I think the carbon budget is already a useful idea for thinking constructively about what we need to do.

    i hope we’re not f*cked yet, though i do fear for the Pacific islands. We certainly need to get a bloody move on!

  8. Crispin Bennett


    We certainly need to get a bloody move on!

    How? As far as I can gather (from a very cursory search), world annual advertising expenditure is around US$500 billion. To persuade people that economic growth shouldn’t trump all other considerations, that’s the order of marketing budget to be matched.

  9. Val

    Brian @ 10
    Thanks Brian very interesting. I had a scan of the previous posts you linked to, lot of info there – I guess you’d agree it’s good see the carbon budget formally in the IPCC reports now even though it would have been better sooner (like so much else)? I hope that Climate Change Authority is able to relate the proposed targets in their interim report to this (and of course that the report comes out and is not in any way compromised by any kind of political pressure)

    Crispin Bennett @ 11
    The field of my research is community action in the public health/ health promotion sector. Public health/health promotion does try to use ‘ social marketing’ , which I guess is similar to the approach you are talking about, but there has always also been a direct confrontation approach- eg take corporations on through regulation, legislation and fiscal measures. The biggest recent example of that is plain packaging legislation for cigarettes and there is still a big legal ruckus going on over that. Nevertheless, health is ultimately a very good ground for that approach – which is why organisations like the IPA are so keen to trivialise public health with their endless ‘nanny state’ rhetoric. There’s an ongoing debate in public health about corporations – do you work with them, do you use their methods against them (eg social marketing) or do you take them on directly? It often tends to be a mixture but I think increasingly people will call for more direct challenge of corporations’ power. The battle over fracking is one such area, and I think coal is increasingly becoming so. So I think the fact that we don’t have the same advertising budget isn’t necessarily important, particularly when the health sector becomes involved, because the health sector ultimately has a lot of social and political influence.

  10. Val

    Crispin Bennett @ 11
    Just realised my response was only to part of your comment (advertising) but you were also talking about growth. The ideology of growth is of course also related to capitalism but goes beyond just corporations – the other thing that’s needed is for social and political researchers and theorists (including progressive economists) to start really challenging the ideology of growth.

  11. Val

    Trying to think from local community level, I’ve written a piece on the IPCC report in language I’ve tried to keep plain and locally relevant,


    I will also add some more information about local projects and community responses over coming days. I’ve been gathering info on community solar, and hope to write that up soon, as well as a case study from my project.