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15 responses to “Assessing dangerous climate change”

  1. Graham Bell

    Disagree with the second conclusion.
    The time to commence any preventative concerted action has passed – and that opportunity will never, ever return. Too late.
    All we can do now is avoid annihilation – and only if we work very hard and become remarkably lucky.

    Disagree with the third conclusion.
    Never mind the rest of the world. We got further into this mess because everyone was waiting for concerted action from everybody else – concerted action will never happen.
    Australia must take resolute action alone and now – and to blazes (literally) with what the rest of the world does or wants or intends.
    That would mean taking leadership in a country where leadership is very rare indeed.

    Listening right now to Philip Adams’ “Late Night Live” (ABC-RN) on the same topic. It’s podcast as well as being rebroadcast tomorrow afternoon at 4:05pm (Queensland funny time).

  2. philip travers

    I just watched Stefan Molyneaux at http://www.freedomainradio.com who says a few things I can agree with,but maybe,I also cannot.I doubt wether Brian here could stomach it about matters Climate Change .I wonder ,however,if the recent new lowest temperature in Antartica is explainable by the ongoing attempts to claim the Climate is warming up.Well not easily graspable at least.Don’t stay awake for me!

  3. John D

    The figures for each country are misleading because it measures emissions on the basis of where it is emitted, not where products that of those emissions are used. For example, Chinese emissions might look bad because the steel used to make cars for exports is produced in China. The emissions resulting from the manufacture of cars sold to Europe are not counted in the EU stats.

  4. philip travers

    How goes it!? The Gaurdian. Newly discovered greenhouse gas 7000 times more powerful than CO2 Perfluorotributylamine.Gave me a electro shock….at molecular level 12/12/2013 .Sleep on it.A couple of questions could be asked.Could CO2 be used in the atmosphere to reduce the effect of this chemical substance,or its transient non captured feral variety modified by temperature matters on the gas as a industrial purpose!?

  5. Helen

    John D, were you the person who wrote the guest post on the Rudd government insulation scheme and how the death rate from workplace accidents (which was touted as being the Government’s fault, whereas it was 100% the fault of the employers, but of course neoliberal politicians can’t admit that) was actually lower than the average?
    I remember it, but can’t find it.
    I can find a post by Mark with a link to Possum Comitatus about the fire rate (also below average) but I do remember one about the workplace deaths.
    If that was you, could you possibly find a link for me?

    Sorry for derail
    [O/T, although related to climate change policy]

  6. jungney

    I love it when everyman/woman and his dog feels sufficiently informed and scientifically literate to express an opinion on the science of the report. Here’s another way to read science, it involves several steps mostly checking the creds of the authors after which it involves the very simple act of merely, and humbly, listening to what they are saying which, in this case, is summarized neatly by:

    The bottom line is that “aiming for the 2°C pathway would be foolhardy” because it “would have consequences that can be described as disastrous”.

  7. Bernard J.

    Could CO2 be used in the atmosphere to reduce the effect of this chemical substance,or its transient non captured feral variety modified by temperature matters on the gas as a industrial purpose!?

    Are you deliberately posting gibberish in order to get a rise, or is this a poe?

  8. tigtog

    Bernard J, opinions on what on earth philip travers means by what he posts are divided. When he doesn’t breach the comments policy, we publish what he writes. ::shrug::

  9. Helen

    Thanks very much Brian, I’ll read your links today after dog walking and other Saturday activities!

  10. John Michelmore

    Graham Bell said,
    “Australia must take resolute action alone and now – and to blazes (literally) with what the rest of the world does or wants or intends.”
    I don’t really see how this is possible without the total financial collapse of Australia. We have manufacturing/processing on its knees, agriculture is debt ridden with poor returns, and Australia is relying on the mining of coal amongst other things to prop up our economy along with the sale of the publics assets, road rail, power generation, water, land; whatever the governments want to sell.
    If you add this to the invalidity of the western world corporate governments and the loss of our sovereignty, I’d say Australia has passed its peak, the future isn’t going to be pretty, whether that is higher temperatures, financial collapse or war. It’s not just GMH that encountered a perfect storm, its the whole country. Australia is living on borrowed time, just the same as the car industry was, and I agree our governments have been and are the biggest part of our problem. Unfortunately Australian’s as a whole can’t just pack up and move to another country for a better deal, like GMH can. The blame I’m afraid collectively rests with all of us, and the solutions are also ours to initiate.

    This comment are my views, and I won’t have the time to argue with anyone here.

  11. John D

    Helen: I can’t remember writing a guest post on pink batts but have referred to the possum stats and a Colbatch article based on the possum stats in the SMH.
    I also remember pointing out somewhere that the number of deaths was statistically too small to reach any conclusions even if there were no deaths before the big campaign. More frequent events (like the fires) are a better guide to relative safety performance.
    The possum stats say it all. You wonder how Abbott’s commission is going to help the country.

  12. faustusnotes

    Helen, I wrote two posts on the scheme: one on employee death rates and one on fires. If there is a royal commission on this, maybe I should make a formal submission ….

    (I think my posts have links to possums posts too).

  13. Graham Bell

    John Michelmore @ 12:
    I do appreciate your concern and your pessimism. The situation is very bad but not hopeless. The Recovery will be difficult but not impossible …. and it can be done without sacrificing democracy …. but it will take a lot of radical changes and it will take chucking sectional interests off their gravy train.

    Take HOUSING for instance: Put all building regulations and “standards(??)” up to rigorous scrutiny – and abolish immediately all those that exist solely for the purpose of separating suckers from their money.

    Whack a 50% Luxury Tax on all new bludgertoriums and give real incentives for dividing the existing ones into duplexes or even several flats. Building and maintaining these monstrosities wastes huge amounts of capital, energy and material resources.

    Building cheap, thermally-efficient, robust, innovative, practical dwellings is outlawed almost everywhere in Australia – this is crazy. It makes no sense whatsoever if we are supposed to be conserving energy and material resources and, by that, trying to head off disasterous climate change.